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Only because you like Subaru, otherwise the TSAB have do nothing, so far, to be either evil or good. By the way I finally discover how is that Fate get to know Jail. Apparently Jail was the person who creates Erio and when he was taken by the TSAB Fate, somehow, manages to know these even without Erio tell her… The StrikerS manga only rise more questions than answers, don’t you think?

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Hmm...your right the manga only rise more questions. Maybe something is going on behind the scenes?

Who would in a fight? Nanoha or Saber? Archer or Signum?

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My friend, everything is going behind the scenes. The manga, the anime and the sound stage don’t manage to cover all the plot holes and the lack of characters development. Plus they still spend entire issues in minor things. Even the villains get a full number of the manga just for them. Just when I think I can’t possibly hate them more I happen to see that one.

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I have no comments for that. I really have nothing to say. Why is everthing behind the scenes? It is very vexing.

Who would in a fight? Nanoha or Saber? Archer or Signum?

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Yes it is but to be just no everything goes behind the scenes, some important things are never mentioned or mentioned to casualty.

By the way in the first two seasons some of the scenes in the manga and sound stage were actually kind of contradict with the thing we saw in the anime. My personal favorite plot hole is the Linker Cores. No just that they never mentioned on the original show but also how they were treated in A´s to never be mentioned again and how its nature change. In the sound stage the Wolkenritter says that they use to knock out the TSAB troops in order to take their linker cores with safety, since Linker Cores can regenerate even with complete extraction but they could hurt them in a long fight. If that is true… then why everyone was so worried about Nanoha never using her magic again? Just think of that one.

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Hmm...I know that the Linker produces magic for the mage...but what are they? They are just a floating ball of energy right? So why is everyone is worry about Nanoha using magic again? Is it a code word for her death or something like that?

Who would in a fight? Nanoha or Saber? Archer or Signum?

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I believe they say something like her Linker Core had so much damage that it may never regenerate again. The Linker Core is an organ on the mage body where mana is generate, is the source of a mage power. The only way to touch it is with the spell Shamal and the cat twins use against Nanoha and Fate or with the power of the Book of Darkness, so technically being stabbed on the back should not damage the Linker Core. If you remember Vita get a injury like that on her way to the Cradle’s engine, and the scene strongly suggest that is the same wound that Nanoha suffer but Vita, being a program who is becoming more human, use her badass attitude to just ignored and smash everything. My opinion? They just used for the drama so they dint care for the continuity. If they well use that for some actual drama or development for Nanoha I will forgive them but was just a show for Teana to see how bitch she is and for two lines from Vita and Fate about Nanoha’s health.

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Hmm...I see your point, so the Linker Core is like Magic Circuits? You can only damage them with magic? That is kind of cheap. So if you are a mundane fighter you can't touch their magic producers? LAME!

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It seems that way or Vitas’ rampage against the IV drones makes no sense since the attack should damage her Linker Core.

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Linker cores? Ha, that's rich!

Plots holes? You betcha. This is StrikerS we're talking about here.

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Plot holes and Plot convenience. That is how the series always takes out. Even with all I say about it I have to admit that the series do have nice moments. Is just some of the scenes are boring and pointless (Many of them with Rein. I always remember she go with Hayate and saying “I’m done with the repairs/check” and end of the scene) But some good moments like Vita rampage, even Subaru went berserker for her sister or Caro summoning her dragon (Who looks like a mecha and I know that the StrikerS staff is fan of mecha) With the villains… no, they don’t have good moments aside Quattro´s clichés scenes and stereotype design.

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Hmm...I guess at the end of the day, you are right Sansker. The season had way to many Plot holes for my taste. Oh well, we can't do anything about it right?

Who would in a fight? Nanoha or Saber? Archer or Signum?

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Nothing can be done but for us to complain =(

I doubt the writers will actually listen to the fan base

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Still nobody stands for StrikerS. The opinion of this season is diverse. Some hate it, some love it and others something between. When many of us can see the major problems some people consider that the pacing and the characters save the day. But as I always say, having Nanoha, Fate, Hayate and the knights as secondary characters for the Forwards is not good. Also I can remove Caro, Erio and Lutecia and the story won´t even blink, now that is what I call essential characters. Nanoha falls to a legendary level along with Hayate and Fate. Even Teana say it, the Section Mobil Six is invincible so they need to reduce the power lever by the limiters to create false weaknesses and there for make some room for the Forwards, because with her power Nanoha and Fate could pretty much handle all by themselves. That is the kind of plot convenience that I hate, they need to degrade the other characters in order to have the new ones to shine, talking about essential characters. Also I just love how they make all of the Forwards having tragic back stories: Caro and Teana are orphans, Erio is a clone, and Subaru lost her mother… because you know when a character has a tragic past we all love it. I mean is not like we have some character that manages to make us care for her whiteout the tragic past oh, wait, Nanoha did that, never mind.

Fine, I think is like trolling but to be honest I respect other opinions, I don´t share them but if someone like the series, good for them. I just say that as fans we should ask for quality. The author do have his moments and good scenes, even in StrikerS. Admitted that one of my favorite scenes is the fight between Nanoha and Vivio. Was good, could be a lot better and heartbreaking, but it was good but the pacing is horrible. The final battle takes for 7 episodes when all of the characters split in so many combats that we jump here and there without getting good feelings from any of the combats. Still make the fight of Nanoha to get her daughter back very nice.

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The kick in the ass that Quattro got was pretty sweet too.

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Yeah, Quattro and her generic evilness were not match for Nanoha’s superior firepower. To be honest she made more of a villain than Jail but is like saying that a kick on the stomach won’t be as bad as one on the crotch. His cliché design and evil point of views were a flaw. And has some inconsistent character, as many of the other Numbers she seems to care for her sisters but in the end she just call them useless (No that she was wrong) and was more than happy just killing two of them and let the rest at the mercy of the TSAB. Oh and in the Sound Stage she gets fat, because you know she being a deadly combat cyborg she get fat as any normal human, jus look how Ginga gets fat even when she ate almost as much as Subaru and do half or even less the exercise... consistency? Was that? Ok, ok, I promise I stop.

Back to the Nanoha and Vivio’s scene. Here we learn that Vivio was send to the out world so she can study and copy techniques and powers from other mages and she did show various spells that belong to Riot Force Six members. Just make me wonder, when she learn that? I mean the only time that she get anyway nearby the training field, don’t even mention the battlefield, was in that episode when she falls and Fate pick her up.

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You guys never get tired of discussing about StrikerS' imperfections, huh? Will you go on? Just questioning, no offense. Because I believe that everyone has seen the picture of it. Honestly, I get you. But just so you know, I'm a StrikerS fan. It's something that I'll never get tired of the character's appearances. Yes, they lack of development and everything else, but I just think that it's fine to point out that their looks just makes doujin artists to always put Fate's hair down and Nanoha's as a sided-pony tail. And again, A. has said that the creators must have put a time gap where they skipped the school days of Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate. It was a wonder of me that...why would they skip such possible scenarios? But basically, StrikerS is strong for its NanoFate moments. That's what makes me a StrikerS fan, that's all.

StrikerS didn't fill out your satisfaction - the way you expected it to be, but you know, they've been improving through the movies, no? And hopefully, you'll see that they'll get better in the potential third movie.

But yeah, this is basically my opinion so no need to take it as a rawring panda.

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Hearts Cross wrote:
the school days of Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate.

Now, that could have been a whole season by itself, and I would have given my left hand to see it.

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There's no reason to end the discussion when there is more to talk about. This thread has gone in several different directions (I'm a little sad the proper villain "arc" didn't last very long but oh well). That's what keeps bringing me back to this thread; I like to speak my mind (even if it makes me look like a jerk sometimes).

Personally, I like Nanoha/Fate much more when they're older. They just seem a lot better to me (Fate's uniform is kewl).

Also, I'm glad you edited that post.

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Yeah, I'm really glad I edited that post. -.-' You totally see the StrikerS thread 24/7, don't you?

Well, yes...but I keep doubting if you really are a MGLN fan.

Reason? I think you totally suit the Fate image on your signature because all I can see is a Fate who complains every minute and criticizes little bits of imperfections of an anime. :I

Yes, different directions. Don't you mean it will become endless? Sansker and you, probably ForceSix have been discussing things that are probably pointless. Nevertheless, you are correct. If stating your opinion is necessary, then I shall cease myself to state negative matters of you people - complaining about StrikerS and its inappropriate additions.

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In the end, what is the problem? Yeah the thread is now full with our dislike for the series but nobody try to defend with passion or even interest, you say what you think we say what we think and them only us say what we think. Would be better if we just be talking about how we like the series? Also if the rest starts to state negative matters of us, won’t be like the same thing we are doing with StrikerS? So, is ok to do it to us but no to the series? Not that I say anyone has a problem or that I am complaining just saying that is a little hypocrite doing things that way. If we were saying that the things we dislike are great then won’t be pointless things, will be just random things. The matter is how you address it. Is you addressed nice then is ok, otherwise you look like a jerk. So the matter what we say or how we say it?

I love to see persons with different opinions and then we can have a nice debate about the series. But then nobody says anything. I open the threat and say I dislike the series because was my opinion and I want to know yours. That is all. By the way, mind if I ask Cross, what post were you talking about?

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Sans, she was referring to me.

I'm not even sure what to say to that. Cross, I don't like to argue with people I actually like so I wont go down that path (too much). However, I do have to say that you're being ridiculous. I obviously like ForceSix and Sans enough to want to talk to them about a series I like.

Pointless? This is a fan website; please dont tell me that you were being serious with that haha. Also, I only check this thread when it gets bumped (Please, stop making sarcastic assumptions about me, thanks :]) Ad Hominem attacks make for good arguments too; I'll make sure to troll more people from now on when trying to make a point.

Also, your comment about my signature was just offensive. Nanoha-sama took the time to make that for me, and it irks me that you would downtalk someone's hard work like that.

One last thing: if you don't like what we're saying in here, then don't comment or read the thread, okay? It's seriously that easy.

But yeah, this is basically my opinion so no need to take it as a rawring panda, k?

Edit: for posterity. I'm not changing this post.

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LOLIKNOW wrote:
Sans, she was referring to me.

I'm not even sure what to say to that. Cross, I don't like to argue with people I actually like so I wont go down that path (too much). However, I do have to say that you're being ridiculous. I obviously like ForceSix and Sans enough to want to talk to them about a series I like.

Pointless? This is a fan website; please dont tell me that you were being serious with that haha. Also, I only check this thread when it gets bumped (Please, stop making sarcastic assumptions about me, thanks :]) Ad Hominem attacks make for good arguments too; I'll make sure to troll more people from now on when trying to make a point.

Also, your comment about my signature was just offensive. Nanoha-sama took the time to make that for me, and it irks me that you would downtalk someone's hard work like that.

One last thing: if you don't like what we're saying in here, then don't comment or read the thread, okay? It's seriously that easy.

But yeah, this is basically my opinion so no need to take it as a rawring panda, k?

Edit: for posterity. I'm not changing this post.

This makes me mad when you said that I hate my best friend's works. I'm not even saying that Nanoha-sama's work isn't bad. Never effing ever. She edits photos that's much more made with patience. I never effing said that it was Nanoha-sama gave a bad job on your signature. You were purely assuming that, not me. So, yeah, sc*ew you there.

It's just StrikerS - in my opinion is being thrown in the gutter, that's what I feel.

Oh, and you're right for the most parts. I seriously won't say anything here then. Whatever.

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StrikerS.

I need only one word to describe it's plot:

Boring.

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That is being too rough, don´t you think? It wasn’t boring, not what I call boring. Granted some scenes and even chapters were a little boring (The entire episode call “Mothers and Daughters” was cute but also boring and add little to the story) but was more a case of over the top kind of thing. They try to fit so many plot points, characters and stories that the pacing is just horrible. Is not boring but unpleasant and incomplete. As I say before try to be too many things at the same time. So have a lot of good ideas but is the old case when quantity does not replace quality.

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Well, since I have time I'll throw my opinion too.
StrikerS isn't great, but it's still much, much better than force and vivid, imao. All it needs to be great is a season between it and As to cover the character developmet and introduce briefly the new characters so that it doesn't feel like we're being forced fed them once we're watching Strikers, and better villains.

One of the things that made me fall in love with MSLN when I watched the first season was the villain, Precia. Because I finally, finally had found someone who had a reason, a depth, and not the typical "lol, I wanna rule the world" villain. In that regard, Jail was the greatest delusion I didn't expect from this serie.

...And of course, if they could be a bit more explicit about Nanoha and Fate's relationship, then everything would be right in the world... XD

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Well in all honesty I actually do like StirkerS. After all my signature is a pic of Subaru, which is from StrikerS. The reason I am even on this forum is that I like talking about how the StirkerS anime could have been better. ( If you want to know a bad anime then look at Kampfer. Now that is a stupid anime.) Even though my friends (Sansker and LOLIKNOW) and I are bashing this season of Nanoha, we do like it. In all honesty the reason I fell in love with the unverise was because of its magic tech. The reason for this is that I like to write fantasy and Sci-fi in my spare time. When it comes to magic in series, the only thing I like better is Fate Stay/Night. In the beginning I could give a rat's ass about the plot or the characters, but in time I grew to love all of them. (Well except Precia, I mean she is a good villain but, I have issues with child abusers.) Hell, I didn't care if Fate and Nanoha got together, as long as the series was good I was happy.

Since we are all fans of the Nanoha universe, let's get along no? Anyways if I upset you in anyway Hearts Cross, I am very sorry! *bows*

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I may be the only that loves the series, but it was my first time watching Nanoha, and i was hooked, right after the first episode, yes i know it's not perfect, but i still loved it, and i usually watch it 2 time a yr, i have only watch the first season, 1 time in three yrs, to boring, but i understand the need for it, to introduce the 2 main leads, i have watch the movie 3-4 times, this version is much better than the first season, and i watch the season 1-2 a yr, but strikers holds a special in my heart

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even though the story wasn't that good as A's, there was some moments that I've enjoyed like the yuri moments and the action/fighting scenes (at least...)..I don't mind the plot though. StrikerS is my first Nanoha that I ever watched, I'm glad that I picked this up.

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After think about it for a while I realize the real problem I have with the series: the deception. I mean after two seasons (Whit some flaws but all together very decent and good) I didn’t know what to expect from the third one and certainly I expected better. The series has a potential there and just waste it. All together the series seems to be more but as I say before has too many things going on at the same time that some get too much time and others too little. Is a major flaw because some of the stories had potential. The fact that Nanoha, Fate and the old good cast was threw aside in favor of new characters also piss me off and I already say why. In the end is that I expect something a lot better and with the same characters even though the first season and A’s were very conclusive. So StrikerS fail me or I feel that way. Also the series start a new way for the franchise: too many characters, plot convenience and plot holes, bland/lame character development, etc. In its defense also make the universe a lot bigger, the magical-tech stuff is kind of interesting and even some of the new characters aren’t that bad. Also the series have nice and even epic scenes and moments is just that making all the characters such workaholics is a little overdo in my opinion. So is just that: I feel disappointed and that is why I don’t like the series.