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Nanoha Vivid and Nanoha Force

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"Somehow I like vivid better than force 'cause there isn't much focus on Nanoha and Fate in force...."

I agree, but the story is also better, and better told, in Vivid, in my opinion.

"plus it seems we'll get to see the combat cyborgs fight on TSAB's side this time."

Yup! And that makes me wonder why they invented this new boy - forgot his name - in Force. There is PLENTY of potential for great stories in the Number cyborgs! So much so, that it could justify a whole new manga or anime season, IMO. At least, the "adopted numbers" have roles to play in Vivid. How big those roles are, we have yet to see. And what about Lutecia Alpine? Oh my, she has such an interesting story already, though we get to hear very little about it, except for a few flashbacks in StrikerS.

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Don't forget that Vivid is just a spin-off. Force is actually the 4th series.
To me Vivid is better for now, and i'm curious about Ixy (really liked Sound Stage X), ancient belkan king and, cyborgs etc.
So, about the Force, only one chapter is out for now and i can't say something clear, but i guess it'll be someething good. No worse than Strikers at least.

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If I recall correctly, according to the author both Vivid and Force count as the fourth season. But anyway that's just a tag, no manga will be more important or more canon than the other if this changes.

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Admin wrote:
If I recall correctly, according to the author both Vivid and Force count as the fourth season. But anyway that's just a tag, no manga will be more important or more canon than the other if this changes.

You can call Vivid the 3.5 season and continuation of Sound Stage x. On the other hand Force seems to be something new in the storyline. Time will show i guess. We just need to wait for new chapters)

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I have seen the 4th chapter of Vivid from AnimeSuki.

Sadly, there is no NanoFate scene, it's basically Nove's butt gettting kicked by Ingvalt.

But I'm not sad, after all, we had a marvelous Soundstages shock full of NanoFate (worth of at least four chapter of Vivid's NanoFate fluff) alongside the absolute sinking of Yuunoha, and now basically canon status of NanoFate, besides they need to advance the plot of Vivid.

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I liked the 4th chapter. Hegemon showed her intentions. Is it only me who found her cute?

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You're not the only one, she's a real cutie.

Alas, poor Nove, should've remenbered the old maxim : "Beware of the Cute Ones", she was not as cute as Ingvalt.

In retrospect, the most powerful character in Nanoha are the cute ones (Nanoha, Fate and obviously (and hopefuly) our dear Vivio.

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yup a real cutie~ she even look a little like mix Signum and Teana to me/

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yeah, i really thought it was Signum when i just look at the page without reading the captions hahaha...

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well about this new manga, they're really good! Vivid and Force... I could've said less from it,...

my opinion on Force is exactly like the story of Strikers, first the new characters and then the captains, getting a solution on how they'll will solve the problem and such... i'm really shocked to see the holy grail(Lily) naked!
and for the Vivid, Takamachi Family ehheheh, though Fete is the daddy between Nanoha and Fate! ^_^ the bath scene really gave me a nosebleed!!! >_< WHHOOO! NANOFATE FTW!!!

i'm expecting more from the two mangas... is the chapter 2 of Force out yet? been waiting for it...

and last, the upcoming Nanoha's 1st movie! i really have a very high expectation for it, just the trailer gives me a heck of a "WOW" factor! i'm really excited about that!

and very last I know they will do an animated 4th season, i'm guessing it's a different story(again), they'll just add the recent character to mixed up and help the main character when the new incident needs it final battle...
that's my opinion... ^_^

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Nanoha Force Chapter 2 scanlated:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?deyhjnmgnwz

In my opinion this isn't Nanoha anymore. I'd like this better as an independent story.

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I know, it fells more like a spin-off of the main series.

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teana looks very matured~ :3
thanks for the new chapter~

I really like lily~ so cute~ :3
she is so like signum mix with rein or maybe shamal mix with rein. XD

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Mmm, well, I prefer waiting for more chapters of Force to say it´s most like a spin-off or a new "season" of the series. I think that it´s only the begining of the story and the author is just present the new characters. I belive that it will be a big and complex story and we´ll see the old Riot 6 in action again.

Anyways, I like the story, it´s interesting ^^

And thanks a lot for the scalation ^^

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Well, Vivid and Force are the 4th season, but, it seems to have a different atmosphere, a bit more darker, and I admit I'm not really into darker stories.
For the moment, we'll have to wait another two months to see the direction of the manga, but I have the feeling (for now) that Nanoha and co will only be side characters, maybe antagonists of Touma and Lily, Fate and Teana particularly, that's why I have mixed feelings (also, there are rumors that someone may die).

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what?! if there's someone, not the major character! i don't like that idea and i know it's just a rumor... even the past antagonist didn't die, why die someone now?
and for the antagonist for Fate and Teana they always are for the new people of Nanoha... like in A's...

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My fear about it (I hope it'll stay as bad rumors), is that they kill Fate during Force (resolving the NanoFate question with it, I pray I'm wrong on this).
The idea behind that, is based on partly on wild mass guessing: because no important characters died during the three series, someone has to die in the fourth; partly on the prologue of Force where someone (we don't know who) says: "we will together, foreever and ever...", which is interpreted by some as the last speech of someone dying.
For the rest, basing things on the artwork and the expressions of the characters, I have the feeling they tries to set Fate and Teana as the antagonist for the new heroes of Force (but it's my guessing, I hope I'm wrong, if it is true I hope it'll only be temporary), also I fear the authors could try to install a possible rift between Nanoha and Fate (with the two having different view of how to treat the affair of Touma and Lily).
I hope it's just my paranoia pushed to the extreme, and that I'm imagining things (I tend to see everything going wrong in general, I'm a extremely pessimistic man).

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The chances of either Fate or Nanoha dying should be almost 0 if the writer doesn't want this franchise to die. This is the kind of series that depends strongly on the characters, and both Fate and Nanoha are by far the two most popular characters from the series, thus rendering them immune to death circumstances much like the main character from Shonens, so there shouldn't be nothing to worry about.

Also in my opinion putting Nanoha against Fate would be out of character considering how much they mean to each other, I'm that sure they give priority to their family and relationship rather than to some random mission, and since Force doesn't seem to focus in them, but in Touma, I'd say that we won't be seeing much of Nanoha and Fate.

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Haru is right. And why the heck is someone supposed to die? I mean main characters.
I won't cry if touma dies though. Well, that really bothering me is who the Huckein are...(mentioned by Teana). Strosek 4th? That means there are the others? And one of them did that in that village. Well, i guess i just have to wait for next chapters... 2 months >_<

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Rein-chan wrote:
Haru is right. And why the heck is someone supposed to die? I mean main characters.
I won't cry if touma dies though. Well, that really bothering me is who the Huckein are...(mentioned by Teana). Strosek 4th? That means there are the others? And one of them did that in that village. Well, i guess i just have to wait for next chapters... 2 months >_<

They can always kill of Chrono, just like they did his father (before the series even started!) OR, they could just kill off a few of the Numbers. Plus, the Belka knights are slowly fading. Hayate will need to fix that...

'Tis the will of all things good... to annialate all that oppose NanoFate.(Well, liberate them into our fandom only by force).. from the power (or threat of use of) of the RMZ4 space laser, Ragnarok.

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As I say, I'm kinda paranoid, in the absolute majority of case I'm wrong (fortunately), but I can't help to imagine the worst (on the verge of the irrational sometimes), to the point even I, are sometimes more than irritated by that.
It's a bad habit which plague me for some years, even my family says I'm too much of a worrywart. It's due to a number family tragedy happening to me in a short amount of time, which let some strong unhealed psychological scars on myself.
Sorry to bother you all with my little problems, guys, love you all. m(__)m

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no worries, i can get over it (i hope they are too) with NanoFate here and there ^_^
always think positive!

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I finally got around to reading the second chapter of force. Hayate's longer hair surprised me. Didn't recognize her at first.

Oh and one thing, why is shari still just an enforcer's aide? Is she doomed to be an aide for the rest of her life?

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motaku96 wrote:

Oh and one thing, why is shari still just an enforcer's aide? Is she doomed to be an aide for the rest of her life?

Probably because she doesn't have any special skills.

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you did?! is it translated already???

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There's a link to the translated chapter in the first page of the thread.

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whoa!!! the best!!! i saw the second chapter!!! >_< but i haven't read it ahahahha!!! i thought Hayate is Rein... hehheheh... thanks! ^_^

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waai!!! thanks!!! >_< you're the best!

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so vivid will have love triangle among Vivio,Einhart and Ixy. Hope it'll happen
I think it will be very interesting and fun to see it ~XD

And about Force, I am more disappointed after each chapter. Why they call it Nanoha serie when it focus on Touma ><
But I will continue read it because Fate chan and Nanoha