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Actually Fate's and Naoha's power level was lowered so that they don't do any overkills...but considering the skill they pose...I have only the artist to blame for performing that depicale act of reducing them to fanservice characters...

Oh and by the way I visited his web site and apparently her worked on a few h-doujins when he drew his chapters...There does come up the question just what the hell the aritst is thinking while drawing his work...I mean seriously I'm more pissed of at the artists for both Force and Vivid than the author...

I think one of the major reasons why both stories aren't as good as made out to be is because they took the direct approach to the road of fan service and therefore hired those idiots!

I would enjoy both Manga's if it weren't for the fact the artists decided to make fan service and conversations bubbles in places they shouldn't be!

I will not state my opinion about these manga's any more than this, though the creators decided to reduce their characters to *fapping*(not really sure what that means but I guess the ones that wrote this word had something perverted in mind >|C ) material, how else could you understand the sheer amount of articles for the series?

P.s. Have you ever wondered what makes fan sevice one of the wrongest terms in a story? It's rather simple; Fanservice reduces women of all catagories, from badass to pathetic, to an object of lust, making the impression in the minds of the extreme perverted otakus, that woman are weak, easy to embarass, easy to violate if you break their mind/body/raison d'etre...
I'm practically talking about the big shots of the doujin world and their imitations that are steadily advancing after them on that field...and I won't name them for I want to forget their existances and erase them from my mind!

I repeat fanservice when used on any female character, reduces them in the mind of perverts to objects...

P.s.s. I seriously am pissed of because one author I thought did Yuri Manga actually did many MSLN doujin where in Fate-san is literally reduced to "A Human Imitation whose real purpose is to-..." I won't finish the sentence because I fear I went to far already but seriously I never thought I had to push an "Author-Like" to my "Author-Hate" list in such a short amount of time!

That is one of the reasons why I don't liek fan service anymore(as a kid your looking at anything without thinking about it, really TT^TT)!!!

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Basically, you've stated most of things I wanted to convey before. I don't mind Fate loosing with Erio, however, I DO mind Fate loosing with Erio for the sake of fanservice. It could actually work in ecchi stories but MGLN had never been an echhi series. 'Had' is the sad thing here.

I'm disappointed to hear this about the artist of Vivid or Force (Somehow my bet goes on Vivid). Now I'm actually glad that I stopped reading both and I don't know what they'd have to do to make me come back. Some N/F kiss or wedding I guess...

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Fear not because hope is arising in the future! As a prove to make you look into Force and Vivid again, I will upload a special something I'd wanted to do for a while now and that will surely have you read both stories...simply for plot and characters...but that's all we ever think about right?

And by the way the artist for Force seems to have a problem with propotions, especially in the bosom area and the shoulders...I mean look at the early chapters of Force and you notice that all their shoulders are broad and out of place looking, right?

...On a sad note, when I visited the artist site of the Vivid mangaka...I noticed that he/she did do another fan service special booklet cover with most adults with ripped cloths...I really dislike that artist, simply because he was in charge of the Negima spin off manga, made KonoSetsu in highlights, and then does a doujin where as said pairing is involved in a futa three way with the little brat teacher?! I have to say...

I'm confused just how absurd that author does make his characters...oh and did I mention that he/she was in charge of the(at least I read it when I read a review about it) super echi anime R15!...He doesn't even respect his own characters as he makes them objects to mastr-...you know already, but I still have to give him credit in making half decent action scene...though they would be even more awesome if he/she didn't make the action panels so sophiscatingly big and spreads a fight that normally takes ten pages into a three chapter long brawl with always a moth put between them...

And we also have to forgive the author...he is currently working on his x-season of his harem Anime Dog Days, three mangas and maybe even some light novels...by the way that seems to be a trend with the light novel writers, seeing that many others do the same(e.g.Bakamonogatari, Medaka Box)Did I mention that Dog days is also following the same pattern as Vivid, only with a male lead in it?

Thinking about it now, didn't the Nanoha movie also have some rather pushing images? And does Tzusuki(or whatever)intent to stay on the falling road of fan service? I tell ya that sub genre will be sinking in at least ten years...though that is still really long, isn't it?

And OMG why the heck am I writing so much? Do I have some kind of grudge towards the author and his minions? WEll I don't know of it right now, so have fun and see ya tomorow XD

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It's also like I keep saying, if I stop being lazy and improve the plot of my story a bit, I can get my own fan fiction on the series pretty soon
Also, I can't believe some artists would waste their time on just making pure ecchi scenes, it seems like a HUGE waste of time

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Some authors just deserve having grudges against them.

Meh, let him do Dog Days, as long as he stays away with the harem crap from Nanoha, I'm okay with it. Though after adding Thouma to Force I'm not that sure any more. Seriously, it could be anyone but this guy doesn't even deserve to be a MC of an average harem story.

This problem with proportions you're talking about apparently appears in a lot of latest official pictures. Like here. Is this what you meant?

Spin-off manga with KonoSetsu? I have to read it. I was squealing like a little girl whenever author would serve more yuri fanservice with those two in the parent story.

It's actually funny because Tsuzuki is in charge of every Nanoha series. The Movie 1st was awesome, the 2nd, from what I heard, was awesome too. But both Vivid and Force... Now I'm really curious about how you're going to convince me to read them xD

Ecchi scenes are okay from time to time, for now, there are action scenes from time to time in between those ecchi ones. Tsuzuki is just lazy.

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The proportion problem I'm talking about is seen really good with the Hayate one!

And the little thing I'm talking about will be a Spin-Off story I wrote myself, and I'll introduce you an antagonist you'll both love'n'hate at the same time as well as the characters of all three stories XD

Beware, I already made an anouncement on this thread!

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Dang, it seems like people are starting to write their own versions of the series, I better get moving myself!

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Wrote? Well you could consider it writing, but I'd rather draw it XD

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Well, I would draw it too if I knew how to draw XD

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Go figure. We already talk how to make things good in Force (or even ViVid for that matter). I can say a few ideas how to make Force good but I really think the entire idea is a little mess up since StrikerS. And no, I don’t care if I sound like a broken record. But if you must insist on keeping some of the StrikerS elements at the very least:

1 – Use fewer characters and make Nanoha protagonist again. Ok, I miss Nanoha as a little girl but this is the chance to show us her adventures as an adult. Play with that. Show us her emotions, her side of things, stop making others talk about how awesome she is and let her shine one more time. Also use this as an actual opportunity to show the three Aces in action, Hayate and Fate can be good two. If you need to insist and have new characters tie them better to the old cast and stop pretending we will accept them that easily. If you need to have 25 characters then make them do something more than just appear at random to the point I can change a character for other and will make no difference.

2 – Use actual villains this time. I could talk about why the villains in Nanoha aren’t for different reasons. Precia was the first and last decent antagonist we get. The Book of Darkness was both a curse girl and then a wild beast and I don’t think you need me to repeat myself about Jail. A villain with clear mind, power and objectives will be nice. If this is meant to be “darker” then show us the less bright side of the magic world. If you need to have a villain for comedy relief then don’t make all the villains like that. Having them doing bad things to establish they are evil is ok; having them do bad things and then just forget about them is not. Remember the nuns Veyron kill? Before he and Thoma fight in the church. Yeah, I bet Thoma apologize to Veyron for attacking a violent murder who kill 3 defenseless nuns.

3 – Stop talking about things that are great and yet we don’t get to see. Just because your characters mention something means we will buy is impressive. This is even less possible if the “amazing” stuff doesn’t end paying off or have no impact on the story. For example Isis real name and family (She is the daughter of the owner of a body guard company). If you must present things with dialogue at less use some foreshadowing and have a point for it. Will help if we actually knew or give a crap about what is going on, so making your world feel alive rather than just empty space to put characters we don’t know or care about is really good.

4 – Don’t waste my time. The author love to have pointless scene with no other proper than filer. Sometimes is need it, sometimes is just because he didn’t think on something else to complete the number of pages. The story also needs a better style and narrative pace. The manga takes a year to describe a long, boring, exhausting fight and then jumps 3 months in a row where nothing happen. The first three series happen really quick, even StrikerS keep a rather faster pace than Froce, which jumps around too much. If you need to jump in time use some good reasons to it, not just to avoid character development.

5 – Don’t kill drama for laziness. I think one of Force greatest problems is how easy the characters accept what is going on and how easy is resolve. As I say, it doesn’t matter what happen but rather how happens. When I see Thoma getting fix from his Eclipse infection by Lily just saying it makes me feel like the entire disease wasn’t such a big deal. In fact is never brought out again so if they stop caring why should I still care?

6 – Pick a tone and stick with it. This is my major problem with Force. While A’s and the first season take themselves really serious with a few comedy and even fanservice moments all along the idea that keeps hitting my mind was a rather nice and calm setting with action and drama climax. StrikerS already ruin that formula when it go from cute boring scenes to political novel, science-fiction stuff and rather gore scenes. Force is the same and even when anime can do that a lot and happens is usually play rather nice and it knows when the moment is up for those scenes. Even StrikerS could keep with this, Force on the other hand makes me feel nothing should be taking too serious.

And I can go on, but I will stop there you get my point.

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Even if you say that you sound like a broken record, I still think that you should send it to Tsuzuki. Maybe it'd work like an eye opener because some of your points are really pertinent and quite clear.

I think that not the large cast is a problem but inability to present and lead all of them. Let's take Negima for example, in the first chapter we are introduced to something like 20-30 new characters. And yet it doesn't come out as a fail because everyone has their own screen time and Negi is still the main character. And if I were to compare Negima's tournament to Vivid's then sadly, the latter fails. And why? Because the tournament in the first manga is probably longer than the whole Vivid.

At this point, one could say: 'but Negima has almost 400 chapters!' Yeah, it does. But why can't Vivid or Force be that long and actually be good? Tsuzuki is already writing 3 mangas anyway, including Innocent, while two of them suck. Really, I'd rather to read one, but interesting manga per week than two (or worse, three) less-than-average per month.

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And now ViVid Memory 40: Round 4, Prime Match

So, here we are friends. Our manga starts with the Black Rock Shooter rip-off A.K.A Sieg, in the middle of the mountains doing some training. Because makes sense to go in the woods where there is not proper equipment to actually train and just hang around there. Is cliché but that always bother me. Anyway she is interrupt by Victoria (Who Sieg calls “Victor”, No really a proper girl’s name) and they go to get some breakfast and go to the stadium. We then cut to Einhart who is preparing herself for the match, talking about the Hegemon’s dream… mind you this has nothing to do with her past memories so I bet is another attempt to make us care about this.

We cut to Harry and her minions who are arriving at the crowded place where the match is going to take place and we then see Els… you know, Els… the girl with chains Harry beat in her first match. Didn’t you miss her? Yeah, I bet you did. She is there because she begged and licked Sieg’s feet to let her go with the champion so she can appear more in the manga. Els and Harry talk about how Sieg is so timid and yet so strong and how everyone wants to see her fight one more time.

Spoiler:

Yay... she was such a strong and well development character...

We now go with “Victor” and Sieg (Who are best friends I guess, not that I care) and they talk about Einhart. Sieg says she is really something and even with her past and painful memories her determination is really strong (So, they know about the Hegemon thing? Must be something really awkward to say, is Einhart telling everyone that she has the memories and personality of an old man on her head?) So Seig says she might not win and Els enters to ask her to enter the stage. And so she does, after finishing her rice-ball, and so we get her naked transformation sequence. But we first see Einhart also getting ready, without naked scene.

Spoiler:

Yeah, that looks nothing like Black Rock Shooter. To be honest doesn't bother me, is ok I guess...

So they enter the stadium and the crowd cheers and do all the embarrassing things fans do their idols when Sieg puts a feet on the arena. Einhart enters and all she gets is Rio, Vivio and Corona yelling at her to do her best. Also Miura is there… next scene.

So they start the fight. Einhart opens with a powerful attack that does nothing. She is reflected and Sieg counters with a spell but Ein block it and attacks in a rather odd fashion that ends with her ass in the ground thanks to a movement Seig perform on Ein. So the champion grabs Ein’s arm and she is about to do something but Ein breaks free by hiting herself and takes a stand losing 3100 life-points while Sieg only loses 12.

So Vivio and the others start their usual “That was awesome” talk and our manga ends with both fighters ready to keep it up and a rather obvious fact stayed by… I don’t know is Einhart or Sieg but I don’t care, the manga ends there.

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... Understatement of the year

This chapter sucks. Half way of it is just padding with nothing really to back it up. Is just the girls losing my time while getting to the tournament. They could start right when they enter the arena or in the arena itself and nothing of value would be lost. I mean do we really need to see Seig eating a rice-ball, seeing Els once more or know that “Victor’s” butler is name Edward? And for Einhart is even worse, she only gets two pages and two more panels before they enter the arena. Feels unnecessary and really just filer to make up for the number of pages.

Then the last statement of the manga: Sieg and Einhart are similar. Really!? They are the same character. Both have the exact same trophies and is not like they do try to point out differences here: they have long hair, stranger and strong power, a very timid nature and yet a cold strong behavior while fighting. The only difference is that Sieg is always eating something. So seeing to clones face each other like this is not really exciting and reveals just how much of a lazy writer the author is. If he actually uses other cliché for Sieg’s personality he would have to actually think about it.

I am really at the edge of my sit right now. The plot us ridicules, the characters are cheap clones of each other and they still haven’t develop a better reason for the fights. I am not really looking forward to 4 chapters fill with crappy exhausting battle but we are here for a long and pointless fight yet again.

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Just chillax~~ It's not the athors fault that the artist is doing a poor job XD To tell you the truth, I myself would find the manga quiet interesting, if not for the repeating fanservice and the fact that your reviews are damnation in it's purest form XD in a ...neutral way of course XD

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To be fair i was expecting this fight for a really long time since there has been PLENTY of forshadowing about Sieglinde, about how awesome she is, her resons for giving up the last tournament, her friendship with Victoria, etc... It gets to a frustrating point because it all has been just that ...foreshadowing, instead of, you know, actual developement xDU

Crappy or not i at least hope Sieg's character and role get finally fleshed out in the next chapters. So far some fights were rather boring (Rio VS. Harry bored me to no end, Miura VS. Vivio was also a bit dissapointing) but i have found a couple that were pretty enjoyable (Corona VS. Einhart was pretty well done while Victoria VS. Chantez was just plain awesome xD).

Sansker, can i call you the Linkara of manga xD? I really like your reviews, you have a truly fun way to point out flaws in a plot xD

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Linkara? I do like the guy and I take inspiration from him but I am not at his level, really. He is a far better critic than I could ever be. Hey he is an actual critic I am just a fan-boy that won’t shut up and like anime better than manga. But thanks.

Anyway, Sieg give up the leas tournament? I think she actually beat one of the others in that tournament; she is level as the Champion. But even if there is some foreshadowing to her character then I must say she could be anyone, because I can talk a ton about others to make them sound awesome instead of showing it. Actually could be better if Vivio actually lose to her or even Miura so we can know Sieg is in other league and she is really something instead of just keep saying how awesome she is.

There is really nothing to make me care about the fight and I consider Sieg can’t have an actual role on the series because of Einhart. They are both the same character and they lack a strong well settle role so will be like having two copies of the same character and do nothing with them.

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Sieg's background is that she has been the champion of the tournament twice while been totally invict to date. However, due to misterious reasons she resigned a fight during the last year's tournament and the undefeated champion abandoned the tournament without throwing a single punch. Victoria seems to know the reason but the audience was left in shadows xDU

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Then… interesting story? Don’t get me wrong I am curious about Sieg’s past but because everything else is so boring that I need something. My opinion? This is not going to be good. Victoria and Sieg just came out of the blue and start talking about themselves without any foreshadowing other than a few panels when we didn’t even knew their names.

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In all fairness, that's how usually new characters are introduced, i find lazy wehn a character is introduced and we have large exposition about everything about him/her (name, blood, type, hobbies, etc...) those are things we're supposed to discover as the story progresses and help to feel a more real developement on the character.

At least the introduction of Victoria and Sieglinde was way better than Tohma's

Subaru: look, it's Tohma, remeber Tohma? he's our best friend ever! family hug xD!

*sigh*

My head hurts just remembering it -_-

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It'll seem that I'll be hearing my own echo, but does anyone know about any recent chapers of Vivd and Force? I'm just curious.

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I don't know about Force manga since I'm not following it, but Vivid Translations translated chapters 29-30 of Vivid manga some time ago.
http://vividtrans.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/my-my-my-look-at-what-we-have-here/
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I don't know, it seems the new chapter is taking its time. At least on the spanish dub. The english one is far behind and they only translate two or three Force chapters this year. Not that we are missing something good

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What about lyrical.cn? Did it get back online?

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Good news and bad news guys: The good news is that I will make another review; the bad news is that this means the ViVid manga is still going as always.

ViVid Record 41: Strong Arm.

Ah, is good to be back. So is this ViVid chapter good? Let’s check it out. We open when we last ended with Sieg saying she and Einhart are too much alike. Ein doesn’t get it and the rest are surprise that the champion actually takes it time to talk with Einhart in the middle of the match. Sieg realizes this is not the time for chatting and creates a strange thing that looks weird and even the characters aren’t sure what it is since they say is a barrier, a bomb spell and that can make a lethal wound.

Spoiler:

You see, what is that? I mean if it is just a shooting spell doesn’t need to be so complex.

Anyway Sieg seems to know what it is because she fire it on Einhart who uses her special technique of grabbing the beam and toss it back. The attack does nothing and more of the “wow that was amazing” garbage from the guy who comments this fights and the characters, this time Harry and “Victor”. Sieg then attack with her super speed she now has because even when Einhart trys to avoid her she grabs het by the leg and proceeds to toss Ein on the ground and then she applies a submission technique.

Spoiler:

You see, she is using movements from wrestling which Einhart seems to be powerless against.

Einhart breaks free by… I don’t know what, and she steps back. Sieg somehow uses her super speed again (I guess she does it, is never clear if she is super fast of just cheating) and tackles Ein before she can react and smashing her on the ground. Einhart raises all confuse but Sieg attacks one more and do it again in a very WWF style, taking 4100 life points from the younger girl. Einhart stands up before the count can even reach 2 and all the characters share their “wow that was awesome” that I am really starting to hate by this point. Sieg seems to be in a good mood and she smiles while asking Einhart if she is ready to go on. Ein seems to think Sieg is a little rude, smiling while moving her arms like this was a friendly match and not a battle to the death I guess, and the older girl apologies saying that she is smiling only because she is enjoying a good fight with a strong girl and then ask this to Einhart:

Spoiler:

“Why don’t you smile?”

Well I do know why I am not smiling

Einhart is shock by the deep question and she admits that she can’t smile (What?) Sieg ask why but the Ein refuses to answer so the manga ends the character development there and returns to pointless battle. Sieg ask then something about that if she wins then the two could talk (Wasn’t that the same thing Vivio did?) Ein agrees and Sieg seems happy about it, saying that “Victor”, Harry and herself did become friends after they beat the living crap out of each other and so she prepares her ultimate technique and takes her stance. So we can witness her true power:

Spoiler:

Gauntlets… huh… I don’t get it, why are Vivio and Einhart so shock? I mean yes, that must be the most over the top way to put on some gauntlets but they aren’t that big of a deal.

While I am puzzle by this both Einhart and Vivio seem to know what is going on since Ein even comments on the new “equipment” the champion has and then realizes she already saw such style in the past. Then show a panel with, I suppose, the Saint Kaiser Olive in a similar posture as Sieg. Is not clear. We then get an explanation from “Victor” who says that even is the styles from the past seem to be bast there aren’t that many in the origins of it and that is just like 5 different styles that influence each other to generate all the ones there are today. So while she has the lighting emperor garbage Sieg has the origins in: The Black Jeremiah, an acient tech that search the way to smash your opponent in a hand to hand combat and that was perfected in the war times!!

Spoiler:

You see, Vivio knows what this is… a pity the readers don’t.

… Having read all the chapters of this thing so far I must wonder: Did I miss a number when they mention this? Because Vivio and Einhart acts like if that has something to do with the Saint King and yet I can’t remember a single moment we event mention the name “Jeremiah” in anything that had something to fo with Vivio’s original. In any case our manga does end with Einhart realizing what she is about to face and Sieg proclaiming that she will taster the strong arm of Jeremiah.

Ok, as you could expect, this chapter isn’t all that good. Again is just a fight and is hard to comment on fight scenes when the key to do those is just sequential art. While it has some weird panels I will agree that the fight itself is easy to get. Is the dialogue that ruins everything with one lines for most of the cast that doesn’t even need to be say if you aren’t explaining anything. The small bit of character development they attempt with Einhart was the best part but is too fast and it was already did with Vivio so I don’t even get why Sieg has to do it again, wasn’t Vivio meant to be friend with Einhart? Oh, that is right; we have been so busy with this tournament to see those two actually develop their friendship.

And again the parts that remain us that this girls use power and techniques from ancient kings is like a slap to the face when you consider the horrible way they are being use: not to create a good story but to pointless moe fights between characters that are jailbait or just source material for hentai. And even there I am being rude since I have read hentai with better plot that this thing. I just hope is over soon because it’s getting worse and worse.

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Both news are good news to me of course since as I said before I LIKE ViVid :3

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Lol, awesome review as always. Probably i'll be hated for saying this but i kinf of Like Victoria and Sieglinde (ther rest of the veterans are just average) and while i'm not excited about the outcome of the tournament arc i'm at least curious about it.

I Wonder what will happen with Miura, it's not too late i want her to fight against Sieglinde so we can get our "Noob VS. Champ" fight xD

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Nah, they all suck balls. I could handle a few new characters if the rest of the cast had something going on, here is just every single time I turn around I found a new character and then we have to wait in line to see which are going to matter and if any of them will be ending being important.

So I am not going to pick the best of the worst since is like askin a guy: wich was your favorite Twilight movie? They all suck balls; you can't go and say you like the last one a little more because is like saying you prefer being hit in the guts rather than in the balls. They are both bad.

Then again I will be honest and say that so far Sieg is the only character which its interaction with one of the main characters (Asuming Vivio and Einhart are protagonist) does have something going on, the problem? Vivio should be the one befriending Ein, not Sieg. Did I get the entire story backwards? Continuity and consistency are two things the author needs to learn. Then again the manga is so boring and have been going for so long that is hard to blame him for forgetting what happen when it started.

And the less I say about Thoma the better

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English scanlation for chapters 31 and 32 are out: http://vividtrans.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/battle-scenes-everywhere/

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ViVid Record 42: Chains that Join (Cadenas que Unen en español, I don’t know a better translation, sorry) I will have to admit it, this was different.

So we open with a flashback of Klaus and Olive fighting. Is the same flashback Einhart already shared about the saddest memory of the Hegemon but this time is more well develop. We see both characters in the middle of a battlefield, who was fighting who? Where are they? Why they are there? We never know. Olive tries to get Klaus to stop trying to stop her before he really hurt himself but he refuses, raising his blade that he always use I guess. Olive replies she might be able to stop the war if she uses the Cradle. Klaus is of course angry that she risk everything for a “maybe” saying that Olive will be a puppet and not able to move her own body but Olive refuses to listen.

Klaus throws the sword away and attack, but Olive blocks really easy and explain that if she doesn’t go then someone else will have to and that she has the ability of being the core of the Saint King so even dead she could be part of the Cradle. She says that she was happy living with him in Shutura and that everything is fine. Klaus doesn’t buy it and raise all his power to try and stop her:

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As we can clearly see, that didn’t go well for him. Now I know who has the pants in this relationship, just saying.

“Because of my weakness her smiling face was gone. Unable to stop her because of my weakness. Who is she to be so strong?”

“Who force her in to that destiny?”

We then answer the last question in the next page when we learn Olive didn’t have arms and that the ones she had are actually prosthesis made by Jeremiah, she even take one of the out for Klaus to see as she encourage him to learn some of the awesome Jeremiah technique because thanks to that, and Klaus, she became actually stronger.

And then we jump back to the present were Einhart just ended seeing that flash back and shouts: “Jeremiah!” while attacking Sieg, who is shock by the sudden aggressive attitude Ein takes. Vivio also seems to notice it because she faints or something. Meanwhile Einhar recovers 5000 life points and starts to destroy herself on Sieg. No, really, Einhart does just that, attacking Sieg with everything but making more damage to herself than to her opponent. Sieg ask her if she lost her temperament and hits Einhart on the chest before she loses by self knockout.

Spoiler:

You see, now that is a friend. Sieg could just sit there and let Einhar break everything against her defense but she decide to end the round there.

So they end the round with Einhart with 8 fake broken ribs and 1000 life point. We see Vivio getting up but worried about the flash she just had because until that point she never had a flash back of Olive’s life. And then Hayate shows up with Rein and that is enough to kill the mood for me. We cut back to Sieg who seems to be having fun and saying that she doesn’t remember anything even if Einhart seems to do so. In the meanwhile Einhart seems to be under a great amout of pain after being hit by Sieg.

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Then this guys shows up. I just love the Numbers expressions there like saying “Holy crap a man, I almost forgot who those were suppose to look like”

Everyone seems worried about Einhart but she stands back up and recovers 16000 life points because Teo can do that now… I… screw it, I don’t care. Everyone is shock about this and Nove even says that this is too reckless and asks an explanation. Einhart gives none to her but she remembers that in the past Olive did show her a technique with her mechanical arms and we see a figure in shadows that I think is Jeremiah. She steps back in the arena and realizes that Sieg is not evil. Meanwhile Sieg pulls everything together and says that their ancestors must have some old conflicts going and even if she doesn’t remembers she will accept it.

We cut to Hayate who explains that she did investigate and discover something about Einhart and Sieg. That Ein has the memories of her ancestor but Sieg only has the combat experience because of some sort of family tradition. That girl which her name I can remember but that uses swords add that “Victor” once tell her that Sieg has over 500 years of experience and memories on her body (So she doesn’t remember anything because…) and “Victor” ends saying that the two, Ein and Sieg, are very similar.

Spoiler:

“They are bound by the chains of their memories. Lost between the past and the future while they live this moment”

Mind you they are not but this is almost over so let’s just go with it.

We go back with Sieg who ask Einhart what is her wish. She responds that is to fight with everything and win, to be able to ask Sieg about her ancestors. Sieg says she will ask “Victor” because she make it simple so she can get it and then they start the fight. Sieg runs to Einhart, picks her up and then smash her on the ground… again… making her lost 10000 life points on one hit. Sieg then ask her if she is willing to face the entire power of Jeremiah one more time, at the risk of suffering even more wounds. Einhart just stands back up, healing almost all the damage and saying that she will fight even if she breaks both legs because she will protect what she has to protect and THAT is the Hegemon’s will.

So… yeah… I believe this number doesn’t suck that much. The ideas and connections between the past of Vivio and EInhart are really nice and is the first time Vivio actually shares some emotion and connection with her original. I was actually shock that I could give a damn about it and the chapter did feel more like an actual story to me. So this is the best ViVid chapter up to date. But that doesn’t make it too good.

The thing is that the including of a third party, on this case Jeremiah, is just so out if the blue that feels like a cheap excuse to have Sieg being more relevant. Also the fact that they are keeping on making more and more characters related to the ancient emperors makes it lose the impact on it. I mean almost every single character has something to do with the ancient Belkan emperors so it stop of being impressive a long time ago and now it feels like they can say that a girl has an ancient emperor family at any time. I mean why not? If Sieg now has all that crap, why Harry or even Miura can’t be descendent of some old Belkan guy? You see is at this point when you can make anything and will make almost a much sense that prevents me from enjoying it. Everything seems so unstable and change every 5 seconds in order to fit the plot.

Then again I just don’t know who to look at this anymore. I mean is actually nice to have more going on in this fight that… nothing at all like the rest, but it feels weird to bring that up now, when the tournament saga is almost over when all the previous fights didn’t even mention the fact Vivio was a clone of Olive. I mean, yeah, surprise but on the weird sense rather than the good one. So, what you guys say, it is good? It is bad? Will this actually be something? Please, I really need someone to help me here.

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The thing you don't really see in this story is that the author relies on us readers to pik up the peices of the following stories togzther our selves. The problem is that that author doesn't really have expeience considering that and is still fleshing out the story to make it more enjoyable and easy to read/watch.

This is considered a desperate move by many authors in fear of loosing readers/watchers through a too heavy plot, main problem in this case is, that Vivid and Force are running at the same time...
WAIT scratch that the main problem lies on the artist drawing the story!!!! And I mean both the Force and Vivid Artist! While the force artist tries to let the characters do cool moves to impress the eaders and convince them that they are cool and likable(look at NEEDLESS, JoJo's Bizzare Adventure, heck even Bleach(let's just say every goddamn Shonen Mag)), without them doing anything at all.

And here comes the Vivid artist: He himself is working on two Manga and at least two doujins at once, means that each story is perversed by him in any means possible! Reason for that is, which is funny, that he/she (well with all that sexism its a he) is responsible for the creation of Dog Days which is now illustrated by himself.

While that wouldn't be all that bad, he mixes the serves of both his Manga's together and creates confusion to those who wanted an either lighthearted family Manga, with NanoFate befriending/romancing setting with Vivio and Einhart, or a pure action based Mange with clear relations to the past which is still clouded!

Seriously the backstory should be fleshed out by Urobochi, no matter what you may say he did do a good job with the Fate/Zero novel and does do a good job with human dramas which Vivid tries to emphase with inroducing the Klaus/Olivie conflict and Belkan age.

Another problem which may confuse you, is that the monthly releases aren't good enough, I don't mean to mak it Weekly, the authors would never manage that even if they wanted,their just that inexperienced, I mean that given that they have a goddamn month time to make a new chapter thaey could have made so much more, by they take to much time with going into detail what's under the girl's skirts instead of focusing on making the story exceptional.

I think that Vivid tries to be taken serious but fails to do so because the fanbase on reads the Manga for the service it provides instead of the story, which is sad because there could have been done so much more...

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It looks like the conclusion, whatever it will be, will suck ass no matter what. That's just my opinion though.

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