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Great ! A pic of Fate-mama/Vivio bonding, it's sad there's not much of this kind of pics.

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I'm already glad we get so much Takamachi-ke shots in ViVid (with the 3 of them), but it's true that a bit more of Vivio + Fate-mama wouldn't hurt ^^.
Especially pics like this one : …(*´-д-)フゥ-3

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I remember this pic, it's one of my favourite, Vivio really looks like she's Fate's biological daughter in it.

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Those wonderful golden hair, this irresistible burgundy eye... it's true that's she is much closer to Fate than Nanoha physically speaking (if not for her green eye). I've been wondering for a long time if their similarities are due to the cloning process. We know that Scaglietti took part in the Project F, helping Precia reviving Alicia. So maybe he kept some data and used them to create Vivio. Hence, somehow, Vivio may have been created using some cells originating from Fate and she might be biologically related to her...
Maybe not enough for Fate to be call her biological "mother", but enough for them to be genetically/blood related (following that reasoning, same goes for Erio of course).

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It's possible Jail used a bit of Fate's ADN to clone Vivio, that could explain why the clone of the Sankt Kaiser is a girl instead of a man, and that could also explain why she have one red eye, while the green eye come probably from the Kaiser ADN.

After all the Sankt Kaiser ADN was on centuries old cloth, it's inevitable to have some holes in it, using the ADN of the first successfully clone born from project F, to fill in the gap is a good idea.

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I thought Vivio is a girl because, as revealed in the next chapter of Vivid, the original Sankt Kaiser was a girl as well.

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Actually we learn that Olivier was a girl back in chap. 6, but I agree with Kyureki. If Vivio was made a girl, it's certainly due to her original's gender. Even if Vivio was created using some material originating from Fate, her gender could certainly be decide by Scagli : Erio for example, was made a boy to satisfy the request of the couple who had lost their child. Even though he wasn't a girl, he "inherited" the distinctive red eyes and electric abilities of Fate.

Which leads me wonder if Vivio will ever prove to have some specific affinity with the lightning element. Maybe the Sankt Kaiser blood is too strong and will prevent that, but that would be a nice add to her range of abilities in my opinion (*゚ー゚). And since she inherited one red eyes, I guess chances are 50/50...

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Yeah, you're right, I confused with Einhart, but Erio have blue eyes.

My theory for Vivio is still valid, after a few centuries of exposition to the air and the passage of time, the DNA sample was undoubtbly seriously damaged and needed more of Fate's DNA to be used, for Erio I think it was more to give him the "magic genes" of Fate.

I'd love to see Vivio's magic powers, for now she takes more to Subaru than her mothers, focusing on hand-to-hand combat (it can also be said she took a bit from Fate, for now she's more a mélée specialist, like her Fate-mama).

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langrisser wrote:
Yeah, you're right, I confused with Einhart, but Erio have blue eyes.

Crap! I always thought he had red eyes! (says how much attention I paid to him XD)

But yeah, Scagli' didn't have much to work with to create Vivio, so certainly he used more material dating from the time of the 1st Project F. I can only support that hypothesis, but I hope someday we will know for sure...

As for Einhart, I'm not too sure myslef : I think she is not a clone, but a natural descendant of Krauss. What bother me is : where are her parents? Nobody seems to find it odd that a 12 (?) years old girl wander alone in streets, without been register in school... It looks like she appear from nowhere, with no past (apart from her memories of the time she "was" Krauss. It somehow bother me.
Now, if I missed something, please give me some light ^^'...

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Yup I too find it strange.
11-12 years old girl alone in a city, I'm pretty sure that there's some evil mastermind behind the scene, it just looks like Ein doesn't have any kind of other memories beside Krauss ones. I wonder if she wasn't brainwashed to be his descendant and to try to fight all the kings from that Belkan war and in reality she's just a clone. Of course the reason for what someone would want to play this war again is still unknown. But she just shown from nowhere there's any info about her and possibly family, I would not be surprised if she had similiar story to Fate, a clone made by some mad Krauss descendant to battle other kings or something.

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I think the mystery around Einhart's past and origin is one of the key component of the plot, there's indeed something strange with her (but she's still a nice little girl), and we'll have to wait for all these mysteries to unravel themselves.

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So everybody agree that her apparition, or at lest the circumstances surrounding it, are strange. But the cast, Nove especially, don't seem to care much. I would understand if there was a panel clearly stating that Ein' is an orphan or that she escaped from "somewhere". But until now, we've been given zero information about her past and I find it hard to digest...
Even if so far she is said to be a descendant of Krauss, it would make much more sense if she was a clone. For example, being a clone, Fate kept some of Alicia's memory...

Ein' doesn't strike me as a "bad girl" in the sense that I can't picture her as a true antagonist for Vivio (not anymore lol), unless of course she falls under the influence of someone. So, maybe there is really an "evil mastermind" as said Anon. There is a good chance for him to appear once ViVid chapters cease to be label "Memory" and then we will shift to the main plot. If true though, it will have been one hell of a looong introduction Σ(゚口゚;.

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Actually, Fate only has Alicia's memories because Precia made some changes/additions to project F that would transferr Alicia's memories over.

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Okay no one scream at me or anything but im a little confused about Vivio and Eiharts past. Can someone please explain it to me? Is Einhart a reancarnation of the emperor? or was she made from Projet F like Fate, Vivio and so on? im confused on how she knows so much about her past and Vivio know so little. Was Vivio the princess or...?
I would really appreciate it if someone would help me out ^ ^

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Vivio is from project F and only a few of the memories of the original Sankt Kaiser were passed on to her. Einhart is a descendent of Krauss and because of that, she inherited his memories and feelings.

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Oh lol that makes a lot more sence! Thank you Kyureki!

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No problem. Glad to help. ^^

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Chapter 10 translation is out!
http://www.solelo.com/blog/index.php/2010/03/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha-vivid-vivio-memory-10/

We learn a bit more about Klaus and Olivie sad past.
And I love how Ein is thinking about Vivio for whole time, not mentioning she's thinking about Nanoha and Fate as weak gentle mothers :P
Plus it's first time when the outsider from big Nanoha family makes an observation how Vivio is lucky to have such good two mothers.

And next episode will be hot spring surprise thanks to Seine, nosebleed climax, since we will see all girls in a pretty fanservice situation, I really hope that all pairings will scrub each other backs at some point, also I wonder what they will do with poor Erio since he is not a little boy anymore to bath together with them all since there are other girls beside his big family with them now.

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Thanks Winterbraid~
So Ein is definitely a descendant of Kraus, trying to fulfill his dream of becoming strong enough to protect what's important to him (now, her). It seems pretty clear that what Kraus tried and failed to protect was Olivie. So, shall ViVid revolved around Ein protecting Olivie's "descendant" aka Vivio? That would be sweet~

As for next chapter, I guess Erio will have to bath with Garyuu ^^'.

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It's cute to see how much Einhart is concerned about Vivio.

Now Einhart knows that if she become a member of the family, what her mothers-in-laws can do if she hurt their daughter.

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Now Einhart knows that if she become a member of the family, what her mothers-in-laws can do if she hurt their daughter.

It has already been proved in StS that anybody who dare harm Vivio put his/her life at risk.RIP Quatro
But Vivio herself would certainly not approve of anybody, even Nanoha, blasting her new sempai/friend/*coughloveinterestcough* XD.

And yeah, Ein inner thoughts are priceless. On that aspect, she is very much like Fate : very reserved and cool in the outside, but easily embarrassed and then pondering frantically how to act (like in the SS02 for Fate).

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Oh yeah, I remember the look of Quattro when she realized Nanoha was about to utterly annihilate her. XD

As the old saying say : "beware of the nice ones".
Einhart thought Fate and Nanoha were two nice doting parents, and then she see they're also two of the strongest badass of the TSAB.

The chapter make it clear that Einhart is the new "Fate", and Vivio the new "Nanoha".
It's undeniable that Einhart has a strong attachment to Vivio, the chapter give me the feeling to say the two are destined to be together since Ancient Belka.

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Just saw Vivid 10. I think I came when I saw Nanoha fighting. I just love everyone's new barrier jacket hair style. Ooohh NANOHA!!!!

Einhart's little thought bubbles over her concern about making Vivio depressed were cute. And I lol'd when Einhart thought Nanoha and Fate were caring gentle parents. Well maybe Fate is, but NANOHA! XD

Seeing Sein at the end was a really nice surprise.

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And I lol'd when Einhart thought Nanoha and Fate were caring gentle parents. Well maybe Fate is, but NANOHA! XD

I agree! Wait til they start dating! Fate-Chans the nice parent but Nanoha! She's nice and all but she can be very protective =D.

Cant wait to see chapter 11 XD seeing Sein was also a Big surprise! This is getting awesome. This has also made me get a better understanding, of Einharts and Vivio's past. Its Destiny that they met agian XD

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And I lol'd when Einhart thought Nanoha and Fate were caring gentle parents. Well maybe Fate is, but NANOHA! XD

I agree! Wait til they start dating! Fate-Chans the nice parent but Nanoha! She's nice and all but she can be very protective =D.

Cant wait to see chapter 11 XD seeing Sein was also a Big surprise! This is getting awesome. This has also made me get a better understanding, of Einharts and Vivio's past. Its Destiny that they met agian XD

I am very happy to see Sein. I hoping we will now complete the circle and get back to poor Xipillia.

"Destiny" has come in the form of Einharts magic, which has an attraction to Vivio's certainly but perhaps also to Xi's. Its an interesting concept that inherited magic keeps an imprint of eariler users. Makes you wonder if there were earlier versions of Fate and Nanoha, also makes the idea and future consequences of Nanoha and Fate having a biological child of their own more interesting.

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Next CompAce comes with a B3 poster, Nanoha/Fate on one face and Ein/Vivio on the other :
So wrong (yet so right orz)...

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So right! NanoFate on one side and Ein/Vivio on the other? They really know what the fans want :D

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Yup ! They know how to pander to the fans, and they satisfy both fans of NanoFate and Ein/Vivio, what could we ask more ? ;3

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Nothing cuz its already complete! =D

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Spoilers for the next Vivid! Warning though, even though it's an onsen chapter, there's next to no sensoring.

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In other news, it seems that there's a Fate/Stay Night x Nanoha crossover manga being released. Here are a few images I found.

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