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Nanoha Vivid and Nanoha Force

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Force Chapter 5 has been translated (well, since yesterday actually XD). Thanks to rai' for the edit, JINNSK for the raw and Basaka for the translation.

That Hückebein girl really has a full-mouth 'orz. Still, I really like this group so far, they make some entertaining antagonists. But yeah, Touma remains plain annoying and Lilly plays on my nerves for being completely passive all the time.
C'mon Signum, bring-up some good action o/.

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This Hückebein group is a collection of colorfoul individuals, at least they're more fun to follow than touma and co.

I found Lily as a "damsel in distress", completely overcliched and Touma to be without flavor, I just find it hard to care about him and his band.

I think the fight with Signum should be nice to watch, and it will either end in a draw, or that Signum will fall victim to the "Worf effect" (and I'm sure it will be the case, sadly, probaly to show to the reader how badass Touma is (-_-) ).

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Worf effect? Care to eleborate?

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I didn't know what this was either but I took it to trusty TVTropes.org* and found this: The Worf Effect

*Be careful! TVTropes is one of those dangerous sites you can get lost reading for hours. Especially for NanoFate folks.

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Chrono give the link to the TV Tropes that explain the effect.

It's mostly when a character well-known for its strenght, is thrown like a ragdoll by the opponent to show how strong he is, it can be lethal to a charcter's badass reputation. It can also serve as a Deus ex Machina, to show that the hero is stronger than anyone, even those that are known for being far stronger than him.

The way I see it, Signum will have an extremely hard time with her opponent, before being "magically" saved by a "berserk" Touma.

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langrisser wrote:
The way I see it, Signum will have an extremely hard time with her opponent, before being "magically" saved by a "berserk" Touma.

I somehow doubt it. I don't think Signum will have the upper-hand though, because there is a need right now to show how the Hück' group is powerful and how their Dividers (also call Mage Killer) are dreadful weapons against mages.
My doubts lies on Touma's role : friend or foe?
At first he ran away with Lilly to take her far from the facility she was kept in, but then, even though it was the TSAB that was looking for them, he kept running away. Now that he is even accused of the church attack, I doubt he will want to turn in so easily. Not forgetting that he is infected (I'd say "possessed"), I'm pretty confident he won't obey anybody anymore and will attack anyone trying to get close >_>". Chances are high we're on for a three sides battle : Touma vs Hückebein vs TSAB.

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It's almost certain Signum won't have the upper-hand in the fight, as you said there's the need to show the strenght of the various memebers of the Hückies.

I think at the moment when Signum will be loosing, Touma's berserk mode will activate (all the elements for its activation are set up) and blast Signum's opponent (or at least, push her to withdraw while giving Signum the opportunity to retreat too), since he seems to recognize her as one of those who destroy his village, in his delirious state.

As for his role, I admit I don't know, certainly because I'm incapable to care about him and his friends (they don't "click" with me). But it'll probably be a three-side battle.

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Oh man, a three-way fight would be crazy. What if Touma loses it and attacks everyone indiscriminately?

I just hope no mages are actually killed by these "mage killers." The thought makes me tremble with dread. I fear that one of the Wolkenritter will finally be taken down, but I'm guessing Signum will come out of this fight alright since she's got Agito with her. If it takes Unison to beat this new enemy, that'll definitely establish how strong the new villains are, since Agito+Signum unison was shown to be ridiculously powerful in StrikerS.

(BTW, does anyone know where raws for Force 6 can be found soonest? The wait is driving me crazy. ^^)

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Yes, Signum must bring back some of the original Nanoha feeling. This is just way too out of place feeling right now.

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I know, I have the same feeling about Force, it gives the impression to be something completely outside the MGLN franchise.

Sometimes, I think that only the original MGLN characters are what keep Force in the MGLN franchise.

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At least we might get to see Nanoha and Vita's new Strike Cannon soon! ^^

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winterbraid posted the last chapter:
Chapter 11 translated:

http://wingsofyuri.nekoslovakia.net/vivio/ViVid%20Vivio%20Memory%2011.zip

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Thanks for the link!
Downloading...

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Sweet! Next chapter's going to kill all!
Thanks for sharing!

Spoiler:
BTW T.T there was no Nanofate scenes....I did like the end ^ ^ Hehe I wonder what teams going to win??

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Spoilers for next Vivid chapter!!! There isn't that much this time around though. >_<

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It also seems like they're going to be fighting under some kind of life point rule. The points are as follows:

Blue Group
Nanoha 2500
Lutecia 2800
Subaru 3000
Rio 2200
Erio 2800
(Unsure about those last two. The points might be switched, but I'm unsure as the translation is a bit awkward.)

Red Group
Teana 2500
Caro 2800
Nove 3000
Einhart 3000
Corona 2200
Fate 2500
(Again, a little unsure about the last two. It's a little hard to tell when the Chinese names for most of them are different. >_<)

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Ahh can't wait for the next chapter! Thanks for sharing!

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More spoilers for the next Vivid!!!!!!! XD

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Yay~

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Vivid chapter 12 raw is out : Mangahelper or Mediafire.
Thanks to JINNSK for the scans.

Nice to see everybody get some actions but it somehow lacks a bit of tension since this is just a training. Nevertheless, Vivio seems quite resolute to go all out to defeat Ein. I doubt she managed however, she is too reckless when Ein is more serene and more experienced :/.
No matter what the issue, I'm glad Vivio is using Divine Buster (thanks Nanoha-mama!) and Sonic Shooter! Did that attack existed previously or is it a merge of Fate&Nanoha techniques (or at least their name) like I think it is? Either way, that was a nice way to acknowledge the "heritage" she received from her two mothers :].

高町一家. Nuff said.

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Thanks for share it, Nina ^^

Nina.Wolken wrote:

No matter what the issue, I'm glad Vivio is using Devine Buster (thanks Nanoha-mama!) and Sonic Shooter! Did that attack existed previously or is it a merge of Fate&Nanoha techniques (or at least their name) like I think it is? Either way, that was a nice way to acknowledge the "heritage" she received from her two mothers :].

Mmm, I don´t rememberd an attack with that name, but it´s new and only for Vivio, it´s nice ^^

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Nice, thanks for the links Nina & JINNSK!

Yay for Sonic Shooter! Go Vivio! You must bewifefriend Ein!

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Vivio can still win against Einhart, she's quite hotblooded, that can compensate the lack of experience.

Seeing the capabilities of Einhart, Vivio and their friends, I think when Nanoha and Fate will retire from duty, there will some quite capable to replace them.

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So Sonic Shooter is combination from 'Axel Shooter' from Nanoha and 'Sonic Move' from Fate side?
Now we only need a combined final attack for Vivio with Starlight Breaker EX and Plasma Zanber Breaker included :D

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Starlight Zanber?

Oh God, can you imagine the destruction?

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Lol, I was thinking the same thing!
But it could be Plasma Breaker, still sounds great.

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...or what about Starlight Plasma? O.o

Sounds like it would burn...a lot.

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I'm mainly afraid such an attack could destroy a world in an instant. XD

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hm... i really wonder if we will get to see teana's starlight breaker~! =3
i'm really looking forward to that.

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Force Chapter 06 Eclipse Driver raw. Thanks to Leoheart for those scans.

Signum is seriously pissed-off and know how to show it, though her opponent has some tricky abilities >_>". And Touma well, he doesn't look to get better,at all. I only hope he won't start to attack everybody randomly if he completely lose it =_='.

Edit : Link fixed, pages with number now
Edit 2 : Waoo, correct page numbers now (orz)

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It's nice to see Signum showing how a badass fight, but I have mixed feeling about her opponent regenerative abilities, it's a bit too much.

Still, Force needs some Fate and Nanoha in it.

As for Touma, he seems to have all the prerequisite for berserk moment, I'm sure of it, it will give both Signum and her opponent the mean to quit the fight before it ends badly for either of them.