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That real cynical part of me has to agree with you that the roster's way too full, but I feel that the real issue is the over excessive number of people on Nanoha's side...even if we go all out and do all the Nanoha time-honored traditions of: pretending Yuuno doesn't exist, leaving Arf at home, taking out Shamal and Zaffy early, leaving Arisa and Suzuka out of it, and locking out Lindy and co with Chrono showing up last minute...we're still left with...6-7 vs 1 Kyrie, and maybe a giant robot...saying the deck is stacked in Nanoha's favor would be an understatement.

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Is Bardiche VA will be the same in this movie or a new VA? Because In vivid bardiche didn't get any line and I read somewhere it is because they did not get his VA to voice him in vivid... or they purposely make no lines for bardiche in vivid?

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Is Bardiche VA will be the same in this movie or a new VA? Because In vivid bardiche didn't get any line and I read somewhere it is because they did not get his VA to voice him in vivid... or they purposely make no lines for bardiche in vivid?

I don't know about the VAs, but having mute intelligent devices is among the trends that Vivid started that I did not like at all. Also the trend of making devices in the form of cutesy cuddly animals and shit.
On the other hand Vivid is based on the manga, and I don't remember B saying anything in there either. Maybe during the team battle. I dunno. But it might be that native English speakers for device VAs were getting difficult/expensive to find.
But even with all that, considering how rarely he speaks, other than to announce an attack, they could probably reuse audio from other parts of the series and not give him any lines outside of announcing attacks. And even if they wanted to give him lines, considering how robotic his voice is, that is how many filters had to be applied to it to make it so, I think they could probably use a different VA and still get something quite similar to original B.

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Also the trend of making devices in the form of cutesy cuddly animals and shit.

It would be kind of funny if in the final battle of the movie the last power up is to get the Aces' devices upgraded into animal form for no reason.

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Also the trend of making devices in the form of cutesy cuddly animals and shit.

It would be kind of funny if in the final battle of the movie the last power up is to get the Aces' devices upgraded into animal form for no reason.

Don't... Don't... tempt them. Allthough I wouldn't put it past them to only show Arf and Zafira in their chibi form, IF they get ANY screen time at all even as background.
Thank god they seem to be going in mecha direction, what with strike cannons and mecha being possibly the final fight.

But this also makes me afraid, because if it bombs, the aesthetics could be blamed and we will be stuck with ViVid ones forever... well for couple of years until that too dies.

I would like to reiterate that I don't have a problem with Vivid aesthetics in principle. They are kind of appropriate for that kind of story, and being able to tell basically any type of story using this setting is one of the relatively untapped potentials of the setting*. But we have been stuck to this one secondary aesthetic for FAAAR too long.

* You want a detective/mystery/thriller, base a story around Leana being an Enforcer. You want a something like a space opera space conflict thing, TSAB has a navy. For school stuff there is ViVio. You want horror, slap in some sort of mind altering lost logia and go nuts. You want to make a environmental statement, if you are smart you have Erio and Caro, but you will have to make them into actual characters. You want to write about heroic first responders and and their failures and successes and how that impacts them, you have Subaru. Etc. etc. etc.

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I actually wouldn't mind if the devices themselves could ever gain a level of combat autonomy, animal or otherwise. Aside from Hayate's devices all being derived from a combination of lost logia and troll tanuki magic and thus "special," Bardiche and Raising Heart, while displaying independent thought far above the normal storage devices, even requesting their own upgrades, never seemed capable of attacking on their own outside of automated protection spells and Blaster-3's funnels- I mean RH blaster bits. Like, unlikely as it is, if the film can have at least one scene of Nanoha plugging the shaft of RH into the ground and leaving her there to charge a delayed SLB, while going off to distract the opponent with the Strike Cannon, I'd be set.

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Toumeikage wrote:
I actually wouldn't mind if the devices themselves could ever gain a level of combat autonomy, animal or otherwise. Aside from Hayate's devices all being derived from a combination of lost logia and troll tanuki magic and thus "special," Bardiche and Raising Heart, while displaying independent thought far above the normal storage devices, even requesting their own upgrades, never seemed capable of attacking on their own outside of automated protection spells and Blaster-3's funnels- I mean RH blaster bits. Like, unlikely as it is, if the film can have at least one scene of Nanoha plugging the shaft of RH into the ground and leaving her there to charge a delayed SLB, while going off to distract the opponent with the Strike Cannon, I'd be set.

Well if they are going to be stealing the desings from Force, there is Rising Hearth Standalone FLight Mode where they essentially mount RH into a drone chassis so it can accompany Nanoha and use her magic while she has both her hands on strike cannon.
Problem with independent attacks is always that INTELLIGENT devices UNLIKE UNISON devices (which is what Rein is) do not have their own Linker Cores and thus they are limited to using their masters magical reserves. Without Nanoha RH can not gather manna independently. Theoretically it might be able to do SLB because that simply gathers spent manna from surrounding air, but it might still need manna to initialize the gathering.
We did get independent acting, somewhat. For one thing if you watch the first two seasons, half the time when Nanoha whips up something new or something dangerous it's on "advice" from RH. Also during final exchange of fire in her fight with Fate, RH was independently handling the defenses (not autoguard) while Nanoha was setting up the binds and the Buster.
Problem with Nanoha acting without RH is that, while she can do some basic magic without it crunching numbers for her, the crossfire shoot she fired on Teana was fired independently, she is really limited and at a BIG disadvantage without RH. Also finally they act best together, their worth together is much greater than the sum of parts.

TLDR: Force allows for some visual independence, but intelligent devices simply are not supposed to act on their own. They are basically storage devices, with embedded AI to assist and advise their users.

I wouldn't mind at all RH being more vocal though.

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I wouldn't mind at all RH being more vocal though.

This. We need more of RH's wisdom and battle tactic- "methods" in the world. I can only hope that Reflections will bring back some of those classic moments of Nanoha thinking up a tactic or new spell, everyone else agreeing it's a bad idea, near impossible, or just outright dangerous and RH being the good friend that she is, vocally supporting and enabling whatever insane plan Nanoha has in mind with some "sound advice" and dangerous upgrades.

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I wouldn't mind at all RH being more vocal though.

This. We need more of RH's wisdom and battle tactic- "methods" in the world. I can only hope that Reflections will bring back some of those classic moments of Nanoha thinking up a tactic or new spell, everyone else agreeing it's a bad idea, near impossible, or just outright dangerous and RH being the good friend that she is, vocally supporting and enabling whatever insane plan Nanoha has in mind with some "sound advice" and dangerous upgrades.


Yeah, having Nanoha pull off her crazy "tactics" and making them work through ridiculous amounts of finesse and Tahamachi stubbornness and toughness is half the fun watching her go.
The other half is watching her switch from her cheerfull outward persona to her real "unstoppable engine of destruction" self (what we tend to refer to as The White Devil) once she is convinced that the enemy HAS to go down NO MATTER THE COST to her life or health.
And RH is the key component to this because it is more often than not actively goading and supporting her in her "Happiness through superior firepower" solutions.

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I just want my Wolken knights

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I just want my Wolken knights

Well we saw Hayate, Signum and Vita in that commercial, but the question is how much screen time shafting will be inflicted on them. The Hayate is tricky to write for since she is either OP if she can use her basically grid erasers (not same as erasers from ViVid), or she is useless, if the combat devolves to a lower level.
We'll have to see what Kyrie whips out, since Signum and Vita will have to get something of their own to challenge them.

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New Reflection PV:

It's looking good. I expected the same trailer from the latest Comiket in high quality, but surprisingly it's something completely new.

Also Iris' character page is now in the official website, she's the new girl and I think Kyrie's childhood friend: http://nanoha.com/character_iris.html

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The new info from the Website, translated by /u/:

Story

  • Eltoria, a decaying planet calmly heading towards its destruction.
  • Remaining on this dying land is a family of 4, a pair of scientists couple who continue researching for their dream of "planet restoration" and their two daughter, Amitie and Kyrie.
  • However, this "planet restoration" dream is on the verge of being washed away because the father, Granz Florian, has fallen ill.
  • In the midst of this, Kyrie seeks for a way to save her dad and to restore the planet in a "faraway parallel world".
  • The big sister, Amitie, tried to stop her but Kyrie shook her off and headed for the "faraway parallel world" with her childhood and also best friend Iris.
  • Their destination is Japan, an island country in the far East of a planet called "Earth".
  • Searching for the "key" to grand their dream of planet restoration, Kyrie and Iris head towards where the 3 girls "Takamachi Nanoha", "Fate T. Harlaown", and "Yagami Hayate" live in Japan.
  • Their meeting will lead to a fight that puts both the two world, the two planet's fates on the line.

Iris: A mysterious girl who lives at a church on planet Eltoria. She is Kyrie's old friend. A cheerful and meddlesome girl who can never leave troubled kids alone.

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A. wrote:
The new info from the Website, translated by /u/:

Story

  • Eltoria, a decaying planet calmly heading towards its destruction.
  • Remaining on this dying land is a family of 4, a pair of scientists couple who continue researching for their dream of "planet restoration" and their two daughter, Amitie and Kyrie.
  • However, this "planet restoration" dream is on the verge of being washed away because the father, Granz Florian, has fallen ill.
  • In the midst of this, Kyrie seeks for a way to save her dad and to restore the planet in a "faraway parallel world".
  • The big sister, Amitie, tried to stop her but Kyrie shook her off and headed for the "faraway parallel world" with her childhood and also best friend Iris.
  • Their destination is Japan, an island country in the far East of a planet called "Earth".
  • Searching for the "key" to grand their dream of planet restoration, Kyrie and Iris head towards where the 3 girls "Takamachi Nanoha", "Fate T. Harlaown", and "Yagami Hayate" live in Japan.
  • Their meeting will lead to a fight that puts both the two world, the two planet's fates on the line.

Iris: A mysterious girl who lives at a church on planet Eltoria. She is Kyrie's old friend. A cheerful and meddlesome girl who can never leave troubled kids alone.

About this, According to our Chinese mean is "There is a pair of responsible for the rebirth of the planet, the couple and two daughters live together in the world of Eltria. When the Eltria world was near the end of the crisis, their father fell ill. Kyrie Florian is two daughters little sister, she pinned her hopes on the distant world in order to save the father and the rebirth of the planet. Another eldest daughter Amitie Florian as sister learned to come forward to stop Kyrie. Finally from the Eltria world Amitie, Kyrie and Iris they three person behavior have been affected to Nanoha Takamachi, Fate Testarossa Harlaown, Hayate Yagami et al the world of "Earth" came up."
Chinese Text (in [url=http://baike.baidu.com/item/魔法少女奈叶Reflection]Baidu Baike[/url]) is "有一对负责研究“行星重生”的夫妇和两个女儿一起生活在Eltria(エルトリア)的世界中。当Eltria世界快接近于毁灭危机的时候,父亲不幸病倒了。两女儿之一的妹妹Kyrie Florian为了救助父亲和“行星重生”的研究,把希望寄托在了“遥远的异世界(遥か远い异世界)”上。而另一位大女儿Amitie Florian作为姐姐得知后就出面阻止Kyrie。最终来自Eltria世界的Amitie、Kyrie和Iris(イリス)等三人的行为一直影响到了高町奈叶、菲特·T·哈洛温、八神疾风等人所生活的世界“地球”上来了。"

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Rather interesting. Iris not being able to "leave troubled kids alone" and the slight red magical tint she gives off might indicate that she's something akin to a pure magical being or maybe a spirit? Raw speculation here, but seeing as how her line in the trailer is "Now let us go, on a journey to save Kyrie's family, and this planet." she doesn't seem to have much going for her aside form Kyrie's well-being and best interests, and actually looks pretty confident going to Earth, or at least provides reassurance.

In contrast, the Kyrie here compared to her game counterpart seems surprisingly more docile. I don't think I've seen her signature troll-flirt grin at all yet. But as always, maybe I'm just overthinking things?

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Being a very positive and unbias person (Shut up! I am!) I will run the risk of saying that this worries me a little. The setting looks fine for a new Nanoha season, but for a movie it feels crowded: three new protagonist, the old three Aces and the Wolkenritter at the very least… that leaves little room to explore them all.

I feel this will be more Amitie and Kyrie’s story than anyone else’s so that Iris girl in particular feels like a dead weight or unnecessary addition with the sisters carrying all the emotional weight we need (At least from what I can gather the story is aiming for and I can be wrong, obviously). Because if Iris is meant to be like the “voice of reason” or a show that Kyrie is not alone that could have been done by Nanoha or any of the others, since that is leaving them in the air as just being the target Kyrie pick and lessening their personal stakes in all this.

That being said I would bet Iris being indeed more involve with the story than we thought, but that again makes me feel the Aces are not going to fit that well. But I like to point the issues on this only because I think, and hope, the movie will be good. Seems like a return to the base formula that has serve Nanoha so well: antagonist force in to the “villain” role and the struggle to get everyone a “happy ending” which is never easy.

Overall I am hopeful but a bit weary, that is all.

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I feel this will be more Amitie and Kyrie’s story than anyone else’s so that Iris girl in particular feels like a dead weight or unnecessary addition with the sisters carrying all the emotional weight we need

This is probably the only thing I'll have to respectfully disagree with despite also being weary of potential cast bloat. Since this version of Kyrie is supposedly retconned into being human, and a seemingly more timid human at that, there should be some way for the story to justify imparting the dimensional travel know-how aside from her just finding a random spell that does so in a book. As it stands, we see her going towards a dimensional travel machine in some empty ruins (maybe an alternate version of the one found in the SS?) and Iris is the one waiting there without any luggage. It's likely that rather than saying Kyrie conveniently found the machine one day, Iris will serve as more of a plot device that leads Kyrie to Earth, and act as emotional support so that she doesn't back out. Granted I might be completely wrong on this.

The thing about the aces though is I can't see them taking any other chair than a backseat to the sister's conflict, and not doing much except background support like in the games anyways. Nanoha's more or less stopped being the character the conflict revolved around since...episode 3? Fate is rarely allowed to co-op with Nanoha since their combo attacks are apparently powerful enough to sufficiently hurt Reinforce, and Hayate is a rather difficult character to include by nature. Unless the three have an ideological clash and come to blows which, while cool, is super unlikely with how deep their friendship runs, there's not much actively stopping them from immediately ganging up on Kyrie with the Wolkenritter and possible TSAB backup (heck Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate as a trio alone should be more than enough to steamroll any normal fight) except maybe Amitie stopping them out of desire to 1v1 her sister? And Iris if she proves to at least be capable of stalling and playing keep away?

TLDR: I'm actually all for Iris, if the situation really comes down to "Kyrie and Amitie the Movie...featuring Nanoha and co...occasionally...okay more so at the end..." Since we need someone to move the plot along, contribute the slightest to trying to even the odds, and keep it going when Kyrie is inevitably given the friendship beating by Amitie.

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Yeah but I want a movie with "Nanoha" on the title to have her more involve in the story. I do disagree that she drop since episode three because the first seasons, or movie if you will, was indeed center about Nanoha and Fate becoming friends.

In A's I did feel Nanoha dropping from focus, and I have argue Reinforce should have been the main character but that is another thing, but even then Nanoha had some involvement in the story’s resolution. And yes I know her character development was push in to the Sound Stages and it was weird but that is not the point.

So I am not happy for a movie that happens to feature Nanoha in a similar way ViVid and Force use her: to remember old glories. But I suspect that will be the case and it makes me sad.

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It will be like it is allways probably. The emotional part will be handled by the rest of the cast, while Nanoha is there to face impossible ods and blast things to smithereens. The thing both she and we adore.

I'm wondering if they are trying to make Kyrie less of a smug snake. I kind of like how much of a dick the is in GoD. NIce contrast to her big baka oneechan.

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To be fair though, I think the last time Nanoha herself was granted some emotional weight to carry, it was Movie 1st Comics version??? (I might be wrong) And while I personally enjoyed it for being a different take, from what I gathered some fans didn't take too kindly to Emoha's rising...?

Plus considering that the movies are possibly the current most consistent source of Nanoha income and stable critical acclaim, the very idea of deviating from the formula of Nanoha helps someone else confront their emotional burdens, time tested since TriHeart3 is probably scary. The re-working of the plot of the PSP games for Reflections might show just how desperate they are to make a Nanoha-story that would guarantee fans. What better way to guarantee good reception for Reflections, than to base it off a game that reflected good results?

But while all that's said with bit of salt, I'm still glad they're at least trying to make something enjoyable. Reworking Kyrie, adding Iris, and pulling Force gear might just be a way to give the people who played the games something to chew on.

Although I'm still hoping that Hayate's shiny new staff proves to be delicious. Out of the three aces, imo she's the one with the highest potential character gain from getting another installment. She's even still a kid, so this would be the best time for her to act like one, and play up those hints at a more mischievous side we've gotten through the years.

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If you stamp something with the Nanoha name and advertise it largely on Nanoha's name, then Nanoha should be the main character. If that is not the case, my opinion of this movie will be the same as all the recent craptastic attempts at shows. Shit.

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To be fair they did remove Nanoha from ViVid Strike!' title so... yeah, I agree with you there, Sei.

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@Seikou: Like in A's Nanoha will be there and will be important for the plot, and will be the light shining in the darkness, but she will not be the driver of the plot. In Nanoha's stories it's often that the antagonist and other characters that are driving the plot in pursuit of their dreams. Nanoha is there to correct them back to the correct course no matter how impossible it seems.

As I said I like the bad Kyrie, preciselly because of her interactions with Amita. She is like Loki to Amita's Thor in Thor 2. They both have the similar goals it's just that Amita is a straightforward one, while Kyrie is underhanded one who will do ANYTING.

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The Character page from the ReflectioN website just got updated, now with a total of 15 characters:
http://nanoha.com/character_list.html

Also some small scans showing some of the minor characters, probably either from Megami or Comp Ace. I don't think there is any new or important information in either the web update or the scans, but if someone finds something please tell us. I hope Chrono is old enough at this point to be voiced again by Sugita, and that he gets a couple of lines.

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15 characters? I am starting to worry, but let’s wait and see.

I like the new designs for Yunno and Chrono however. The latter's Barrier Jacket in particular seems to blend better than Nanoha's or Fate's new ones. Also their clothing doesn't fly right me. Maybe we have associated Nanoha with white and blue while Fate tends to use more black for way too long

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Is that a tanuki-tail accessory in Hayate's pocket? Wow, she's really dedicated to selling that image...not that I mind in the slightest (Please troll everyone like your Innocent self Hayate!)

As for Nanoha and Fate, I don't at all mind Fate adopting brighter colors to play into her development as a brighter person, but I did kinda wish Nanoha also took some more black in her civilian wardrobe, or at least kept the ribbons, oh the ribbons~ ah well.

Still looking forward to learning how they'll even the two-to-ten odds.

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New scan from Media Mix.

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Here is my 5c of what I think the blurbs on that page say:

ユーノ・スクライア
なのはが魔法と出会うきっかけを作った魔導師。時空管理局の巨大データベース「無限書庫」の司書を務める。
Yuuno Scrya
A mage who made Nanoha's meeting with magic possible. He works as the librarian of the Time Space Administration Bureau's gigantic database, the "Infinite Library".

アルフ
フェイトの使い魔。現在は幼い姿だが、以前は大型の狼だった。ハラオウン家の家事手伝いを行い。働くリンディを支えている。
Arf
Fate's familiar. Currently she has the appearance of a child, but previously she was a large wolf. She acts as domestic help in the Harlown household. This way she supports Lindy who is working.

リンディ・ハラオウン
時空管理局の総務部勤務。巡回船の艦長だったが、フェイトを義子に迎えてからは内勤となり。地球に移住した。
Lindy Harlown
Works in the General Affairs department of the Time Space Administration Bureau. She was the Captain of the patrol warship, but since meeting and adopting her daughter Fate, she is now working in office. She has moved to Earth.

エイミィ・リミエッタ
時空管理局補?。クロノとは学生時代からの友人で、よきパートナー。現在は支部長補佐としてクロノを支えている。
Amy Limietta
Time Space Administration Bureau (assistant? unintelligible kanji). Chrono’s friend from his student days and a good partner. Currently she is supporting Chrono as his branch head’s assistant.

クロノ・ハラオウン
時空管理局本局の執務官。リンディの息子。現在は地球の臨時支部で支部長を務める。職務に忠実で真面目。
Chrono Harlown
Time Space Administration Bureau’s Enforcer. Lindy’s son. Currently serves as the head of (TSAB’s) special branch for Earth. He is dedicated and serious about his professional duties.

Apparently the OP of the image cut out Nanoha and Fate and a section on their devices, since the black boxes seem to say Bardiche Assault and Exellion.

Of the things to note is that Lindy is unlikely to be appearing much since she has switched to office duty. Chrono on the other hand is chief of TSAB station Earth. Arf has also switched to her noncombat, househelp form.

So I guess most of the characters on the page are not going to be appearing in significant capacity?

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They also updated the charcters page on nanoha.com, I tried to figure out the moonrunes about some of them:

グランテツ・フローリアン
惑星エルトリア在住の、アミタとキリエの父親。
滅び行く故郷を救う事を目標とし、研究を続けていたが数年前から病を煩い、現在では症状が重篤化、命の危険にある。
Grantz Florian:
Resides on the planet Eltoria and father of Amita and Kyrie. His goal was to rescue his dying home (planet) from destruction. He has been studying the problem continuously until few years ago when he got sick. Currently his condition has gotten so serious that his life is in danger.

エレノア・フローリアン
惑星エルトリア在住の、アミタとキリエの母親。
幼馴染みでもある夫と共に、滅び行く故郷を救う事を目標として研究を続けていた。
Elenor Florian
Inhabitant of the planet of Eltoria and Amita and Kyrie's mother. Has been friends with her husband since childhood and together with him aimed to save their dying home. She has continues to research.

アミティエ・フローリアン
惑星エルトリアで生まれ育った少女。愛称は「アミタ」。
「滅び行く故郷・エルトリアを救う」という目標を持った両親を支え、共に働いてきた一家の長女。
妹キリエの事も大切にかわいがっていたが、近年ではすれ違いが多くなっていた。
Amitie Florian
A girl who was born and raised on the planet of Eltoria. People close to her call her Amita.
As the eldest daughter she is supporting her parents in as she says „Rescuing Eltoria, our dying home“.
She also loved her younger sister Kyrie, but lately they have drifted apart.

キリエ・フローリアン
惑星エルトリアで生まれ育った少女。
「滅び行く故郷・エルトリアを救う」という目標を持った両親とともに、故郷にたくさんの花と緑を育てるという夢を描いていた一家の次女。
父・グランツが不治の病に倒れて以来、姉であるアミタとはすれ違いが多くなっていた。
Kyrie Florian
A girl who was born and raised on the planet of Eltoria.
Together with her parents her goal is as she says „Rescuing Eltoria, our dying home“. She dreams of planting lots of flowers and greenery on her home planet. She is the second daughter.

イリス
惑星エルトリアの教会に住んでいた不思議な少女。
キリエとは昔からの友人関係。
明るい性格で世話焼き、困っている子を放っておけない性格の持ち主。
Iris
Mysterious girl that lives in the Church of the Planet Eltoria.
She has a friendly relationship with Kyrie since olden days.
Due to her bright and cheerful personality, she is meddlesome and cannot let go of the children in need.

This gets me the idea that Iris might be the one to cook the whole affair up. Which is not really a thing I like. I prefer the insufferable overconfident ass that was Kyrie in GoD than the sniveling wrech this one is shaping out to be. Also Amita is a bit too serious. She is not known for nothing as baka-neechan. She means well, and is bombastic, but is also a bit clueless and an idiot.

I mean you now have those videos of mine to see their personalities *shameless self promotion*.

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Shameless indeed. But I take they might want to craft the Movie characters different than the game ones. However this is still good to know, thanks for the translation man

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New RelectioN commercial!

The materials and Yuri are listed as part of the cast, so it's almost certain that they're a part of this movie. The Movie 3rd is divided into 2 movies, so there is still a small chance that they may only participate on the second part since they haven't been shown in any of the previous videos or mentioned in the plot summaries or the website. I guess we'll have to wait and see.