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I recently re watched the second season A's. I got it in BD definition, it was about the time of year suitable to it (Christmas/New Year) and I never rewatched it entirely after the initial time.
Also I now know a lot more about how the universe works and such, things I did not know back then.

This all inspired some oppinions in me, that I wrote down and that I will now inflict on you. I was not able to find a thread dealing with the original A's season (not the Movie) so I created a new one, to serve for potential A's talk.

Unfortunately the topics I will be talking about are a bit scattered. I have tried as best as I can to arrange them in a consistent order, but I'm still not satisfied.
Also a lot of this is my opinion only, and I would like to hear your opinions too on these or different topics concerning A's.

Oh well, without further ado:

Cartridges and antagonists
One of the things that As did really well that I must congratulate them on, is how they handled the introduction of new antagonists. Now when you introduce new antagonists you often want them to further escalate the situation and show how powerful/dangerous they are. And wat better way to do that than to outright beat the protagonists. The trouble with this approach is that this inevitably leads to expanding the power level of the fighters since now you need to justify the protagonists eventually beating them. Which as sequels mount can lead to ridiculous levels where we are told that the fighters fighting are able to destroy galaxies but yet they are simply fist fighting on the surface of one world like they always did since the first season.
As bucked that trend by introducing new antagonists and made them a threat able to beat the protagonists by
a) focus on a different fighting style that protagonists might not be familiar with (melee vs bombardment more common to Midchildan style (let's ignore the lore of StrikerS for now))
b) showing that they are quite capable of going toe to toe with the protagonists and even being able to surpass them in skill and most importantly
c) the edge they in the end used to beat the protagonists was not some sort of writer mandated asspull that tries to justify instantly stronger power levels but they introduced an actual device (cartridge system) that allowed the antagonists to fight on another level AND they introduced the drawbacks of the device that explained why they can't do that all the time (cartridges being a limited resource that can only power like one attack).
Frankly it's brilliant IMO. This also makes the idea that protagonists might be able to match the antagonists in like couple of days much easier to swallow since the only lead was technological, and that can be solved much more easily and be visibly shown not told that it's active. AND also really importantly it let the writers play even more with the idea that mage/device complex is like a fleshly robot, because they could use scenes of them loading cartridges with that nice k-chunk sound. Have I told you how brilliant it is? It's bloody brilliant.
Now there are some problems with this. For one if mages with the cartridge equipped devices have such an advantage over devices with no such system equipped, why is no one using them? Well the explanation is not perfect given the advantages, but it was enough for me for them to point out that it’s an ancient system that modern engineering never got a real hang for, and given the problem it was neve widely adopted. Also considering RH is probably a pretty standard intelligent device available to civilians and Bardiche was probably made with what was available in the Garden of Time it’s quite normal for them not to have come with the system. It’s a thin explanation but it did work for me.

More on the antagonists (The Twins)
While the introduction of the Wolkenritter was done pretty masterfully, the same cannot be said of the “Twins”. Well I’m not being entirely fair. In retrospect the fact that it successfully fooled me, like it did the protagonists, into thinking this was ONE character doing all of the stuff, and the comment by Amy that porting so quickly between location was amazing/impossible, did work. It gave us impression of a new all-powerful behind the scenes foe and introduced a way to explain all this power, it’s not one guy but two.
One nice detail I just noticed. When they are reviewing the actions of the mysterious new enemy they note how he can both do expert long and short range things, and they ask Lotte if this is something even she as an instructor could do. She answers that such long range attacks are quite impossible even for her. Basically she doesn’t lie, but she doesn’t say what the protagonist think she is saying. It’s Aria that confronted Nanoha and did the long range stuff. Lotte probably sneaked up on Fate. She cannot do the long ranged stuff, but she CAN do she melee part of the new enemy’s arsenal.

On the other hand, even knowing the trick, now while rewatching, that all-powerfulness did not sit well with me. I mean in the first fight one of them like completely shrugs off one of Nanoha’s fully powered busters, while the other somehow sneaks up on Testarossa to melee range. And that is the definition of BS attack. I guess some of it could be explained if the Twins were something like Yunno, focusing solely on bindings and shields. That would explain the ability to shrug off Nanoha’s attack and use OP bindings. And Fate could have been a victim of focusing only on her opponent and not minding her surroundings.
Still, despite knowing all of that they left a bad taste in my mouth since I don’t like such pointlessly overpowered opponents that appear perfect and unstoppable. It did not help them at all that they also largely acted as spoilsports who would swoop down each time protagonists might have won and spoiled their victory by being writer mandated Deus ex Machina out of nowhere.
That coupled with the implication of their previous interaction with Chrono (ehhh really 7 arts, you went there?!?), and their actions in the finale, made me sad that they got off so lightly in the end. I really did not like those two.
On the other hand, their entire subplot was not bad and added depth and gravity to the problem. The fact that noble individuals would stoop to such plots to resolve the problem of Book of Darkness showcased how desperate TSAB was becoming. Their actions also justify the final fight between the protagonists and the Reinforce. But more on that in the next section:

The final act of the Twins
In the end the twins help the Book absorb the Wolkenritter, which causes Hayate flip out from the sense of loss and sadness, which they then direct at the Nanoha and Fate explaining why would Reinforce want them dead. But the reason for all of this escaped me for a long time. I mean I get that they wanted to freeze Hayate together with the out of control security system. But why pointlessly cause anguish to a young girl who as soon as the book got all her pages was pretty much doomed I could not figure out. Why bring her to the roof anyway. But now I think I have an idea why.
The problem they had was that for those handling the case, the master of the Book of Darkness was no longer this evil doing things for their own amusement and power, but a friend and not to mention the fact that they were starting to feel pretty empathic towards the Wolkenritter. For one the Wolkenritter had to go if they hoped to have any chance to freeze their master so absorbing them into the Book to fill additional pages killed two birds with one stone. But that alone would not have helped them with the next step of their plan. How to get Chrono and maybe even Nanoha and Fate too on the plan that the only course of action left remaining was to condemn an innocent girl to eternity encased in ice.
They hoped that if the master of the book thought Nanoha and Fate were her enemies, and reinforce attacked them, they could spin the situation in such a way that Chrono would have to go with their plan or risk The Book of Darkness killing his new sister. They hoped that that plus his desire to avenge his father would be more than enough to offset his dislike of the method used and get him on board with the plan. On top of it all, now that I think about it, they probably helped stoke his ruthless streak, he had back in first season, during his training. Plus, without their plan the only remaining option would have been to blast Uminari with the Arc en Ciel and wait a decade for the Book to reform again.
One thing that is still missing/I don’t get still, is what was their plan back when they first started plotting this? Sure they planned to do it all using Durandal, BUT as we have seen during the end fight, Durandal is not a silver bullet against the defensive program and it took an unbelievable collection of powerful mages going all out and unloading on the program to strip it of defenses and unearth its core. I doubt freezing any other form prior to that would have been enough to freeze it enough for the purposes of their plan. They do note that their window of opportunity was supposed to be around full activation of the defense program, but again it’s hard to see Durandal being that effective. Or maybe they were just planning on freezing The Book of Darkness (Reinforce), which would freeze Hayate too? Would the fact that it’s “master” is frozen and therefore the mana is no longer there put the system on hold too? But would Reinforce be even around, since the way she was talking during the battle, she was moments from being taken over by the defense system and that would have made her it’s pawn. It was Hayate assuming admin privileges and basically hacking the system that allowed them separate agency.
So any thoughts? Did the fandom ever get to an agreement what was Graham’s tactical plan about dealing with the Book during its activated phase?

Chrono’s relationship with the Twins
No, just no 7 arts. What you are implying is not okay. It is not okay to imply that one of his teachers had a “physical” relationship with younger Chrono back when he was barely a teen. No. Just No. In fact, it’s a good thing I accidentally skipped and did NOT watch this episode back when I was first watching Nanoha.

Magical Program Agent Shamal
Shamal’s attempt at blending in and being inconspicuous will always make me smirk at how terrible she is at it. It will also always remind me of this [url=”https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2001-01-08”]webcomic[/url].

The final visitation
That scene in the hospital where the protagonists finally learn about Hayate’s nature will forever be one of the best scenes in the series for me. The tension can be cut with a fucking chainsaw.

The Resolution
Couple of points about the final fight in the end. After Nanoha hits Book of Darkness with her ACS point blank shot, we see the Mage Prison collapsing. Wasn’t that the “barrier” that was also keeping all damage to the “half a dimension away”? If so, seeing how the pillars of flame are still visible in the background of Arisa and Suzuka’s scene just before the fight with the defense program, aren’t those pillars of flame also now visible to the normal? Is it another case (like the tree in the first season) where the normal are curiously uninterested in mass destruction happening in the middle of their city? Or is this like normal for Tokyo .
Ahh, at the end of Episode 12 Amy mentions that she has dropped barriers around parts of the city that were not damaged, have been repaired. So it seems there were multiple barriers present, and Mage Prison was not a “barrier” but simply a spell restricting the gang from fleeing. Okay, Okay.
Second point is another case of me thinking something was a fact and then seeing that I was wrong. I was convinced that it was Nanoha’s ACS charge and point blank attack that snapped Hayate out of her semi dream, and allowed her to start messing about with the controls of the Book from the inside. This is not correct. It’s Hayate herself who was able to wake herself because she felt something was not right/was wrong. Where Nanoha helped was to help her seize full control. The scene is delightful with Yunno going into serious mode delivering his instructions as if they are going to be something complicated, when in fact they boiled down to telling her to splash the Book with everything she has with full power. And the look on Nanoha’s face of utter delight that the instruction is something that she was going to do anyway, because seriously when has she NOT gone for full power full throttle solution.
It’s also nice that it’s the trio that figures out the plan on how to deal with the out of control defense program.
Another small potential snafu. During Episode 13 quite a bit happens, enough to fill multiple days, yet the later part of the episode implies that all of that happened between the fight which happened on Christmas eve and Christmas day when Nanoha came out to her parents and friends. But those are just nitpicks.

Hayate and the change in the Ritters
This is not exactly directly connected to the events in the Season, nor is there any strong evidence of it, but this is my head cannon about the reawakening of humanity in Wolkenritter. In the show they imply that it happened because Hayate was thawing them off by treating them as human beings for the first time in centuries. I on the other hand would like to note that that might not be exactly what happened. Sure Hayate was still instrumental, but what might have happened is that the Book of Darkness’s Wolkenritter system simply readjusted itself to a form that would be more in line with the wishes of its current master.
It makes sense when you think about it. Their ultimate objective always is to make their master, happy, and if their master wants them to behave like her family, they will become her family to fulfill her wish.
But this is head cannon and probably has no bearing to the what actually happened.

The Story
Now that I have seen this season again I can appreciate how much they managed to cram into this. I mean there are so many different character subplots there.
There is like continuation of the Fate’s new situation, and potential resolution of some of her issues. Further cementing that Fate was not really “befriended” via divine buster as we like to say. That opened up the solution space for her future for her, but it was her actions and actions of loads of other people around her that dragged her out of mud.
Then we have Chrono’s background and hints what drives him as an Enforcer (some of which we got back in first season during his encounter with Prescia), and it all nicely ties back to the incident at hand.
There is as I said the entire subplot of Graham’s desperate ruthless solution.
There is of course the whole Hayate’s home situation and time devoted to fleshing out the Wolkenritter.
Hell they even managed to involve the normal part of Nanoha’s life into healing Fate’s wounds.
So they were able to cram quite a lot into 13 episodes, AND add several extended fight scenes. Judging by their performance ever since, this level of success must have been partially accidental. They accidentally struck the optimum amount of characters/new characters enabling them to fill time meaningfully with proper order of events to get the proper emotional response from the audience.
It would have been all too easy to mess this up simply by rearranging scenes too or making small changes. If they held off on showing us the situation in the Yigami house or did not say to us that Linker Core draining did not destroy the Core, we could have easily soured on the Wolkenritter and that initial distaste would have been difficult to remove. They could have devoted more episodes to pointless school stuff and wasted too much time there, but they managed to restrain themselves and the school section simply served as a breather after the hammer blow (pun intended) of the intro.

The futurism of the greater TSAB setting
Seeing again the first time we see the TSAB central office, reminded me how much As pushed the idea that the setting is Sci-Fi powered by magic. Basically magitech. And that is a fun setting, especially since once you determine that it’s all powered by magic, it’s a lot easier to explain any piece of tech. You don’t have to violate the laws of physic and thermodynamics like a cheap ho…, ehhheehem. You simply state that ITS MAGIC! Add some rules and mostly stick to them, and they did that, and you can easily convince me that it’s a reasonable rule first setting that will not make my head ache every time they start talking stupid about how something works.
I would have loved to have seen more of it, on the technical side. How they do space and planetary operations and such. We did get some of it in StrikerS, which tried to show the day to day stuff on the capitol of administered systems and it mated the Sci-Fi Magitech to the military SF, a combination I have never again seen anywhere and loved. But despite those attempts at world building of StrikerS, because of which I’ll always defend it, it also started the trend of downplaying the futurism aspect of the setting. Cranagan was not a large capital with like mile high skyscrapers and flying cars and shit you might expect of such Sci-Fi setting where FTL (or dimensional travel?) is possible. While I have some ideas on how to justify it, more on that if I ever do a StrikerS retrospective, it’s still feels a bit of a downgrade.
And the series never recovered.* Oh well, I’m stuck with ViVid, so I better bear with it. And I really shouldn’t complain about it here. It’s still a shame though.
Although if all those colored lights on the main TSAB station are windows, it seems they are having some sort of station wide DISCO/RAVE day/night that time. 

* The last thing published Vivid: Strike even featured SUVs with visible GMC logo for some god damned reason. And in general apart from floating holographic screens you would be hard pressed to figure out on your own that this is a space expansion age society. And not to mention the shying away from mecha/techno aspects of magic and devices that has been happening ever since Vivid. Fuck that.

The feel of combat
One thing that struck me during the first battle in the season is how, now that I have watched the third season and the movies, “slow” and simple looking combat was compared to what I remembered. For one I remembered Nanoha v Vita fight being longer, but it’s actually like couple of blow exchanges before Nanoha pushes Vita over the edge.
But come the episode 7 and we are back to the good stuff, with things like there not being a minimum safe distance when your opponent is Nanoha. Except this introduced the cockblocking pair.
Now that I have watched the entire season, I see that I was right. The fights are a bit less then energetic than I like to remember. For me the combat will always be magical dogfights, but that was probably not possible given the limitations of their techniques at the time. Still it was fun during those times when the characters were allowed to go all out. Also now that I think about it, I think this season was a LOT more talky than fighty. Compared to Season one where Nanoha and Fate fought in pretty much every episode, this one focused more on characters and the story, and that was not to its detriment.

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A nice and very in depth analysis of A’s I should say.

I am not going to answer point by point since it would take too long. But to add my two cents to the talk I would say A’s had the signs of the issues that would latter plague StrikerS: Too many characters, sub plots that didn’t went too far, long drawn out fights… but here they manage to valance things quite well.

I do say, however, that the main flaw is Hayate herself. As nice as she looks with the others, The Aces of the Bureau and all, she is not up there with Nanoha and Fate. As much as the show sells you the idea that she becomes the third member of this group in all do reality I always feel her character just acted so out of touch with her age that it would have make more sense if she was older. I mean they try to sell me that a 9 years old kid is the “mother” of all the Wolkenritter and I just can’t take that stuff serious.

My point would be that Hayate acted as an adult, not as a kid, and like that she never strike me as the proper focus for the show. I would have made Reinforce the protagonist rather than Hayate, let the emotional tragedy circle around her, and have Hayate be either older to keep her role as mother or younger and acting like an actual kid. The way they handle it in the end work, but it never sit well with me. I expected Vita to be the one who joined Nanoha and Fate the first time I saw this show.

As far as subplots go the one with the twins is quite weak, since the moment I figure there were two mask men I was able to tell who they were. And the ending was, while good enough, always an issue both in the original run and in the movie. Is like they need to get to the battle and can’t work around why and how so they just go for it.

But overall A’s remains the pick of the Nanoha franchise so far.

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Sansker wrote:
A nice and very in depth analysis of A’s I should say.

Thank you.

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I am not going to answer point by point since it would take too long. But to add my two cents to the talk I would say A’s had the signs of the issues that would latter plague StrikerS: Too many characters, sub plots that didn’t went too far, long drawn out fights… but here they manage to valance things quite well.

I wouldn't say that it showed the signs of issues, and if it did those signs were minor, because as I said I think it mostly managed to give practically everyone that could contribute to the plot a time in limelight. But I would say that the amount of characters, character backgrounds and setups was right on the edge of what they were capable of pulling off. Maybe even a bit over the edge but they were lucky in how they set things up.
I'll save my thoughts how that relates to StrikerS to when I do my before rewatching retrospective on StrikerS, which I will post on that StrikerS thread.

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I do say, however, that the main flaw is Hayate herself. As nice as she looks with the others, The Aces of the Bureau and all, she is not up there with Nanoha and Fate. As much as the show sells you the idea that she becomes the third member of this group in all do reality I always feel her character just acted so out of touch with her age that it would have make more sense if she was older. I mean they try to sell me that a 9 years old kid is the “mother” of all the Wolkenritter and I just can’t take that stuff serious.

My point would be that Hayate acted as an adult, not as a kid, and like that she never strike me as the proper focus for the show. I would have made Reinforce the protagonist rather than Hayate, let the emotional tragedy circle around her, and have Hayate be either older to keep her role as mother or younger and acting like an actual kid. The way they handle it in the end work, but it never sit well with me. I expected Vita to be the one who joined Nanoha and Fate the first time I saw this show.

Well, one of the key "things" of the entire franchise is kid looking and age characters acting like they are AT LEAST 10 years older. As such Hayate's adultness fit in. If I had to complain about her setup it would be to be incredulous that an infirm 9 year old would be permitted to live alone, but than again that is like a time honored trope of Anime I guess.

But back to Hayate and the Story. Reinforce might work, but Hayate I at least think worked better because she was clearly a victim and completely innocent in this and therefore it was much easier to make the audience care about her, and consider Graham's plan to be bad if it involved freezing her rather than some book AI or something. As such an older Hayate might not have worked. And a cynical part of me thinks that an older Hayate would not appeal to, for 7Arts important, lolicon demographic.
And as for the mother angle, I allways found it strange how she from time to time keeps refering to devices and such as children. I always thought that was an artifact of translation or something. But anyway her acting motherly towards them is an offshoot of her considering them her family, and acting with kindness towards them. Since she is clothing them, teaching them how to behave in public as to not draw attention and such, it's not strange that she considers herself their mom and them her children who tend to get in trouble. Thinking more, it might also be that she was indulging herself after being alone for practically her entire life and acting as something (mother, sister etc.) she never really trully hoped she could become due to her illness.

As for her being a part of the trio, sure we do not really see how she fits in because frankly she is nothing more than a victim for 90% of this season. We see the start of their friendship, but nothing more than the start. The rest is never shown since we jump 10 years to StrikerS. But speaking more about Hayate and how she does and does not fit into the trio I'll reserve for when I'll speak about StrikerS.
I'll just contain myself for now to things shown in A's. From that point of view, I guess they were trying to set her up as the smart one (she is a bookworm), the team mom, the overachiver and even more girly girl compared to the two battle maniacs of Fate and Nanoha. In case any situation would crop up the dynamic would be for it to cause Fate to open up one of her myriad of unresolved issues, Nanoha would simply get harder and harder endangering her life in an attempt to resolve the issue by facing it head on, while Hayate would then need to smack them a bit and refocus them properly. But we never really got anything of that so this is just IMO.

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As far as subplots go the one with the twins is quite weak, since the moment I figure there were two mask men I was able to tell who they were. And the ending was, while good enough, always an issue both in the original run and in the movie. Is like they need to get to the battle and can’t work around why and how so they just go for it.

I at least was not able to figure it out before the reveal. As far as I was concerned back then I thought those two were an artifact or something of the Book of Darkness which wanted to be completed at any cost.
So for me it was a surprise. Now looking back I can see the good parts (about which I already wrote) but I still instinctively dislike their actions. But without them the Movie has a glaring hole where the reason for the fight with Reinforce is.
On the other hand I did not really see much of an issue with the setup of the final fights in the TV version. Sure the defence program was a bit of a letdown in how it was taken down by basically nuking it with a buch of high level spells, but apart from that I did not notice any laring issues.
So care to elaborate about your issues with the last couple of episodes?

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But overall A’s remains the pick of the Nanoha franchise so far.

Despite me liking StrikerS quite a lot (yeah I know those are fighting words ;) ) A's was still MUCH better than both the other seasons.

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Did you mention Nanoha A's Game? It are PlayStation Portable game Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's Portable: The Gears of Destiny and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's Portable: The Battle of Aces.
How do you talk about this?

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I have not played those for couple of reasons. First reason: As far as I know that game is not available in English and I don't know Japanese. Second reason: I don't own an PSP.

Still I am intrigued by it. The little snippets of the second one (the one dealing with Florian sisters) I have found on the youtube that are subtitled in English (2 vids) seem to show a proper Nanoha styled story that might be interesting. But as I said I simply have no way of experiencing it.

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Didn't you use the PSP emulator? I have already recorded a video uploaded to the Internet, but also Chinese.
[url=]http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/U25003cgbTQ/[/url]
I played with the Japanese original, but due to copyright relationship without recording.

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Didn't you use the PSP emulator? I have already recorded a video uploaded to the Internet, but also Chinese.
[url=]http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/U25003cgbTQ/[/url]
I played with the Japanese original, but due to copyright relationship without recording.

Still not good for me since I don't know neither Chinese nor Japanese. Oh well some day somebody might translate the cut scenes into English.

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I think there was a series of scrips of the scenes translated in AnimeSuki. Somewhere inside the forums. I always like the storyline of the games. Overcrowded as they were, they really add a lot to everyone involve, specially Gears of Destiny

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I think there was a series of scrips of the scenes translated in AnimeSuki. Somewhere inside the forums. I always like the storyline of the games. Overcrowded as they were, they really add a lot to everyone involve, specially Gears of Destiny

I jut popped over there, and from a quicky glance one member did translate some of the routes in the first game. For the second there are synopsises done by Aaron008R.
Trouble is all of that is scattered throughout two LOOONG threads and no one seems to have thought of gathering all of that in one place. Oh well I'll just have to do some thread searches.

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For anyone in future looking for translation of Gears of Destiny game the following is a synopsis of the Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's PSP game Gears of Destiny:

Sequence 1 - https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3919060#post3919060
Sequence 2&3 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3919295&postcount=1191
Sequence 4 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3920592&postcount=1211
Sequence 5 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3920771&postcount=1215
Sequence 6 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3923389&postcount=1288
Sequence 7 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3923765&postcount=1306
Sequence 8: Part 1 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3929451&postcount=1414
Sequence 8: Part 2 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3930611&postcount=1448
Sequence 9 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3930669&postcount=1450
Sequence 10 - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3933205&postcount=1524
Sequence 11: Part 1 - https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3938232#post3938232
Sequence 11: Part 2 - https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3939729#post3939729
Sequence X (epilogue) - https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3944666#post3944666

And I quite liked things I saw. Would it have worked as a straight TV show? I don't know, it might have too many fight sequences for it's own good in it's drive to give everyone a time to shine.

Also I nailed Kyrie's character even before I read this based on two translated videos of her. She really is a smug snake at times.

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I think the games would not work that well if made in to an anime. I mean they have too much content because their aim is to give the player stuff to do with each character. But the material is good enough that I would not mind seeing an attempt to make it in to an anime, if that were at all possible

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I think the games would not work that well if made in to an anime. I mean they have too much content because their aim is to give the player stuff to do with each character. But the material is good enough that I would not mind seeing an attempt to make it in to an anime, if that were at all possible

Yeah, that's my opinion too. For every fight they have at least two alternative pairings. You could merge some of the fights in case of bosses, so instead of one character fighting somebody get more of them in, but then again 7 Arcs SUCKS at team fights. Oh they'll have teams of people fighting but they ALLWAYS devolve into duels. Once you add in the downtime, and better believe you need downtime or the viewers are going to get burned out, this could easily baloon WAAYY over 12 episodes, for something that happens in the course couple or less days.

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Should I split off the talk about the games into another thread since it doesn't really concern A's the anime TV show?
I have searched the forums using google and have only run into two tangentially related themes to the games. One is offering download links from 2010 and the other is http://nanofate.us/forum/natus-guide-psp-games where natus summarizes the plot.

On the other hand I don't think it will be a too long a discussion, but I do want to show something too.

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You can use this or Natus' thread, probably the last option would be better, I can update the thread title there if you choose to do that.

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Okay, I'll go with Natus's one.