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Is Nanoha Franchise still on its original roots?

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Hi, Nanoha franchise is really special to me. Not just me, but also to the old school anime fans for a magical girl genre but with high technology settings. Nanoha originally from Triangle Heart, but they change the concept to everyone said "magical gundam girl" today. Although I want to ask but always everyone are afk or just ignore my messages everytime. But I guess is everyone is busying at their hobbies and their work, I understand.But this time I write at the topic to get much more detail answers.

Does Nanoha franchise nowadays still on their roots or they are gradually leaving their roots? Due to maybe this is my opinion though, 2004 Nanoha mostly focused on story telling, thrilling, and actions, but nowadays they started to focus on cute poses (That I don't worry that much), but the biggest worry is they started to go to Moe direction. I'm very happy they go to its original roots by creating Nanoha Reflection Movie, and next is Detonation Movie, but there is a site that making more Moe on Nanoha franchise. Not to mention Nanoha Vivid and Vivid Strike mostly focused on Moe girls battles and Eechi scenes a.k.a Fan services scenes. Somehow feel so stereotyping than last 3 titles like original, A's & StrikerS that no balance in girls and boys in story telling and most importantly battles. Why almost all girls, why no boys are involved like A's and Original (Although boys percentages appearances in battle are slim but at least they did balance the battle scenes). I hope I can get any answers and your opinions about this franchise is heading nowadays, Thx.

Here is the site I mentioned above:
http://nanohainnocent.com/

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I found out some Reflection Movie Posters started becoming more promoting Moe and eechi directions more than last time.

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Nanoha and Nanoha A's follow a very distinctive formula, something that only got partially replicated in StrikerS. After that every Nanoha installment has tried different things and gone different directions, that much is easy to see, I don't know what are all the reasons for this, maybe it's just an attempt to aim for new niches and get new fans, it may be a good way to extend the life of a franchise that most people didn't expect would last for so long.

The first two movies seem to be the part of the franchise that follow Nanoha's original roots the closest, that much is obvious because they're just a retelling of the originals, but Reflection seem to be close to that too so I guess it's safe to say that Seven Arcs is not opposed to do more Nanoha in the old style.

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I think that really depends on what you define the styles. If I am 100% honest, I don’t think the franchise has keep a consistent focus. While some of the elements are similar across all incarnations: too sweet, strange dialogue choices and Nanoha blasting people in the face, they did try different things every single time. The first season focus on a “monster of the week” type of formula that was later drop. A’s started more magic duels and bring forward more aspects of lore. StrikerS had magic anti-terrorism. Force try to be edge and shonen. ViVid and ViVid Strike! Are essentially Dragon Ball meets moe.

In short they try with whatever and stay with what it works. So far those elements seem to be the cute girls and the action (If Force’s hiatus and failures are to be any indications). So they keep bringing those. To me the issue has always been that sensation of lost I got ever since StrikerS, of just not being able to connect with anything going on anymore (I did with Innocent but don’t follow the manga) so what bothers me is how the show keeps going on its most shallow aspects and ignoring its own mythos. So to me that is a sign that Nanoha has loose some of its roots.

That being said, this franchise came as the spin off, of a short video from a spin off to a series of games. I doubt anyone expected to get this far and for so long… guess can’t complain much when you consider that.

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So, I can guess that the creators or author of Nanoha franchise are out of ideas to keep innovate it. So the creator themselves are very aware of pro-Moe direction will ruin the franchise due to many international fans are started getting tired of Moe, boobs like these kinds of stuffs. But at the same time, they have to make it somewhat or somehow close to original and shonen content, more story telling to keep attracting more new Nanoha fans without further segmenting their current fanbases. So maybe their conclusion is combined genre that attracting old fans like ourselves and new fans simultaneously, and the movie Nanoha Reflection is their best answer to it. Since the movie focused on story and old school nanoha, (maybe, just maybe have some minor fan service scenes), but at the same time, they using Moe, ecchi arts or posters to promote nanoha franchise in the public or re-commercialised the IP.

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I did try my best to reply earlier but nowadays I'm very busy, sorry for the late reply. I hope that my opinion might make some sense, but that is not the definite answer to the questions of the topic.

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To be fair, Nanoha always made its money more from merchandize than the direct sales of their story telling devices. And ecchi or fanservice sells (Regardless of the age of the characters) so keeping the cute girls and the strangely… suggestive posters and commercials will always turn more eyes to the product. Let’s be honest, the Nanoha franchise isn’t the first to appeal that way to the lowest common denominator.

Likely they want to focus on the visual spectacle the movie can offer. Both action and moe, plus fanservice which is almost a law when it comes to magical girls.

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Nanoha left their roots a long time ago for me, they tried different things for the franchise like Force, ViVid Strike and Nanoha ViVid (one worse than the other) ...maybe for try to attract new fans,I think that the worst thing is see the characters that I love(Nanoha, Fate and Hayate) being left aside to make room for new characters that I don´t care and I have no interest and especially make the older characters for some strange reason being defeated for the "new generation''.

I started to watch Nanoha and I continue to this day because of Nanoha / Fate (mainly) and Hayate/Wolkenritter.. if I don´t have at least Nanoha as main character I have no interest.

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I think the comic of NANOHA innocent is over. It's entirely different from other series of works. Almost the magic game is set up in the game, which may be adapted to later comic, attracting new Fans. So the plot is different, so I think it's OK (whether it's Moe or eechi). As for the mobile game website, it doesn't know what to update. There may be new works that may not be ruled out. I hope that there may be after Nanoha Reflection and Nanoha Detonation.