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Creating a new thread to discuss and post new information about the newest Nanoha spin-off manga: Nanoha Innocent.

There is some previous discussion and information here: http://nanofate.us/gallery/comics/1343234369822jpg

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Translation.
English.
This manga.
I want it.

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A: Everywhere.

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Also it's a manga designed by the drawer of the anime. The traditionnal Magical Girl type hehe. But I think this sure will be an awesome manga. ;D


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I'm expecting good things for the new manga! :3

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I don't know what to expect from this. I checked out some scans on /a/ and... it looks like the authors remembered about some really old characters they threw into a plot hole during strikers. Not that I complain or something ;p But I wonder what will they come up with this time.

At least we finally get to see Precia and Fate as a happy family.

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Nanoha: "Arisa, Suzuka, it's been so long, where were you?"

Arisa: "We fell in a plot hole, but we managed to climb out of it."

Suzuka: "We used the corpses of Yuunoha's supporters who someone was trying to hide."

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Yeah, ten years would be enough but still, authors should have dropped us a word or two and explain what happened with characters instead of forgetting about them and thinking that people would forget too.

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I've found some info from the Nanoha wiki and I thought I'd share it here.

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The whole thing revolves around "Brave Duel", which is some kind of team based motion sensing card game thing.

(Tries to imagine how that would work out and comes up with Yugioh but with people flailing their arms like idiots)

It's also some kind of social game played on mobile phones. In fact, the manga might be there to promote the game much like how the anime made everyone in my old school buy Yugioh cards.

The writer of the manga is Masaki Tsuzuki, who wrote all of the MGLN franchise so no worries there. The artist is Shūichi Kawakami, who is a doujin illustrator for MGLN.

There seem to be 3 main teams:

Hobby Shop T and H (Consisting of Nanoha, Fate, Alicia, Arisa and Suzuka. I wonder if Precia is the owner of the shop? What the hell does the T and H stand for? These questions and more!)

Old Bookshop Yagami (The Yagami family. Bookshop...? Strangely appropriate! Just stay away from that creepy book in the back if you want to keep your legs, Hayate!)

Granz Observatory: (Made up from the Florian sisters as well as the Purple Sky group. Interestingly enough, there seems to have been a bit of a name change. For example, "Load Dearche" has now become "Dearche Kings Claudia")

Looking at the cards, it seems to allude to the main continuity frequently. (That is to say, the cards are of them as magical girls.)

The first chapter of the manga seems to have been published already. Looking at it's number though (chapter 00) I'm going to say it's more of a prologue than anything else, really.

...

Random thought, but what the hell are Signum, Shamal and Reinforce Eins doing playing a kid's card game? Eh, maybe Hayate was desperate for the numbers or something...

Ah. Before I forget.

All familiars are pets. And I'm including you as well Zafira, I don't wanna hear your "guardian beast =/= familiar" crap!

Oh, another random thought. Granz Observatory seems to have the most members (6 people.) I wonder what this impact this will have on the story? Will someone have to sit out or wait as a reserve?

...Another random thought. We got Reinforce Eins. What about Zwei? Do we get to see the two of them together? Because if so I may very well explode into squee jelly.

I will update with news as I find it, here's hoping we get to read this one day~

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Well... It seems that there are two Ryniths in INNOCENT the cat and her human form (dunno why they did it though)

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Sorry, but I have to ask: when you say "All familiars are pets" are you including Yuuno?

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I haven't seen him on the scans posted on /a/, though it doesn't mean that he doesn't appear in the story.

On the other hand: "The writer of the manga is Masaki Tsuzuki, who wrote all of the MGLN franchise so no worries there." Everything is possible...

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I know that Linith, Arf and Zafira are pets. I'm assuming that Lotte and Aria, if they appear, will be pets too.

I'm assuming that Yuuno will be human, based on the following evidence

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Here's what precious little info I have so far:

Fact one: Suzuka looks AWESOME in this.

Fact two: The game for this, from what I an gather from the horrible Engrish of Google Translate, opens registrations on the 13th.

It also says "Days before an official release until 11:59"

Fact three: Precia x Lindy.

To end this, here is the cover of the first manga. (Again, Suzuka looks awesome in this)

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Oh boy... I've got that Cardcaptor Sakura vibe just now...

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Omg I'm so excited for this manga.

Her skirt is so short!~

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Small news item that's not all that consequential but I feel like I should try to keep as much attention focused on this as possible, even if it means pointless and meaningless updates ^^;;

Anyway, this concerns English scanlations so I suppose it's of interest to those eagerly waiting for this to be translated~

So then, two scanlation groups have expressed an interest in translating this. The first is "ViVid Translations", a group that mainly focuses on scanlating the ViVid manga. The second group is "Raizoo" who have done scanlations of the Force manga. (Some of you might be familiar with the groups).

However, ViVid Translations have stepped down and have announced that they no longer plan to do any translation work on INNOCENT, as Raizoo will be doing it and there's no point on having two different groups working separately on the same thing and coming up with different translations.

Instead, they will attempt to locate and translate the Gears of Destiny manga instead. This is one of the greatest acts of resource management I've ever seen.

That's all from me, I'll update whenever I find something so don't forget about this manga~!

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Innocent AND Gears of Destiny? That's awesome! Now I get to read the awesome new manga and I get to read the story on the Gears of Destiny arc.

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If I had a nose to bleed from, I would have floated here on a sea of blood like a piece of flotsam.

...Okay, lemme back it up a bit so it all makes sense.

First off, did you know there is an image board called Nanochan devoted entirely to MGLN?

Second of all, did you know they posted a bunch of scans from the INNOCENT manga already?

Third of all, I don't care what you say but Precia x Lindy is totally a thing now. For reals.

STFU and look at the pretty! Look at the pretty until you bleed from the nose hard enough for me to float around in like a piece of garbage on a lake damn you!

http://nanochan.org/board/kareha.pl/1340440619/l50

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Yea, I was the one that posted those. I'm still keeping an eye out for the full raws.

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Isn't it obvious xD? T and H stand for Takamachi and Harlown, naturally xD

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But taking the fact that it's Precia, the T may stand as well for 'Testarossa' :D

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Oh, good point! Precia x Lindy ship, full speed ahead!

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Oy yeah, you're right, that's also a possibility xD

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Scanlation of the first chapter is out: http://raizoo.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/duel-00-released/

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Damn! You beat me to it! Aw, I'm so depressed right now ||OTL

(Mopes in the corner)

And here I was getting all excited to announce even more news...

(Mope mope mope sad sad sad depressed depressed depressed)

Jealous! So jealous!

(Paru paru paru)

I'll cheer myself up with INNOCENT though, thanks for sharing~

(Happily skips off)

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Wow, replying to my own post. Boxes are super lonely! (wait...)

Ah, this is great, it's super great~ It's IME! I can't wait for the next one! And the one after that and the one after that and so on and so forth!

(Gives off the biggest fan girl squeal it's ever given thus far)

Amitie and Kyrie, you two are just awesome! Just so awesome!

(Moves it's flaps as if it's speaking but no audible noise is coming out. THAT is how high-pitched this fan girl squeal is)

PRECIA!
Precia rabu rabu forever!~

I'm totally over the moon in love with this, I can't wait! So excited!

(Waddles off to reread it while making increasingly higher pitched fangirl squeals. Glass shatters everywhere, animals go crazy and everyone's ears suddenly pop)

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This is frikking awesome! Thanks a lot! :D

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So, Nanoha Innocet 00 is finally in english, then I guess is my turn to the same here as I do with ViVid and Force. Yeah I will give you my summary and analysis even if this is a prologue or whatever. Since this is so short I don’t really need much.

So, what happen? Ok, the Professor Granz Florian create a new super awesome game in 2010 call Brave Duel where little girls can compete with hologram avatars from themselves and magic cards while putting in test tubes and making naked transformation scenes. This game is just so freaking awesome that all of 3 stores are releasing it on Tokyo while also releasing it as national event. And the game is super awesome; did I already tell you that? I hope no, because the mage does mention it like 25 times and gets kind of old by the end.

So we meet Nanoha who stares at the sky like an idiot because, get a lot of this, is blue!! Ok, Arisa gets mad (Big shook) and Suzuka is the voice of reason. Arisa is super exited because of that awesome new game is coming out and they have to check it in the store Hobby Shop H and T (According to Amy’s boobs of course) where we meet Precia and Lindy who own the store and make Precia’s daughters test the new machine so they can have tons of kids and clients to use their new game arena which it last components were bring by Amy who almost crash and ruin the entire day. The Brave Duel game is awesome. We now see Alicia and Fate. Fate looks bigger but Alicia is older… don’t ask. Arf is there but Linith is call Linith #2 making me wonder what happen to #1. The game is awesome.

We go with Hayate and Reinfoce who I get are family because they are both call “Yagami” even if Hayate is the owner and makes Reinforce and the rest call her “Master” a rather odd way to address a 9 years old that doesn’t seem to have anything special but I digress. Then Signum and Shamal enter and we cut to Vita coming back from school (So, why aren’t Hayate, Fate and Arisa at school if they are all 9 years old? Don’t know) she is excited because of the new game and her powerful Yagami deck with awesome cards that will make her win the national tournaments that will be made for this super awesome game.

While Vita runs like the Flash we see the Florian sisters. They talk about the super awesome game that I am sure you haven’t hear about yet. Their father, pardon, the Professor (This guys has a nice Freud complex because he demands even his own offspring to call him “Professor”) make them do all sort of things to make sure they get a lot of clients this afternoon. So we go with three exchange students: Stern, Levi and Yuri and they get orders from the Professor who is happy that someone actually respects him (Yeah I almost don’t know this guy and I already hate him, we are here for a ride) he monologues about a super awesome game call Brave Duel but then we are save by Dearche who stops him and demand that we get down to something.

So we see that the Professor, the T and H and the Yagami are all ready and they make Dearche, Fate and Vita enter their giant tanks so we can see them almost naked and create their avatar for the super awesome game that is going to be release this day and will make all of us happy. So, just in case we don’t get it, they told us again what is going on: the Professor create a super awesome game call Brave Duel and we end with all the teams happy and Nanoha wlaking with her friends to see what this is all about with her face looking at the, still blue, sky. Then end with a cliché line take from Yu-Gi-Oh! (The heart of the cards… if they start to say “Is time to duel” I will lose it) and that all is about to start. The end.

Ok, I will not say is bad because is far too early but I will say is annoying as hell. I get nothing of this characters at all and while are some point that make me wonder I really don’t get anything as an outside reader of the franchise to get deep in to it. I know who this people are because I read the game script and I saw the anime and manga but aside from their names I really just question some odd decision like having the Wolkenritter and Reinforce call Hayate “Master” or making Alicia smaller and being the oldest sister. We are starting from scratch you can make some changes here, we don’t need more of the same, this is a new universe and has nothing to do with the regular MSLN show. Making some stuff different, if you want this for regular fans then I bet the names and faces are enough, but be creative.

Another thing is how they hammer in to you that the Brave Duel is a super awesome game by every single character that talks in this manga. Is fine, I get it just once you don’t need them just saying the same dialogue over and over. I know this can’t happen because is the core of the manga but I will actually like to see their faces if this big awesome game ends in a total failure just for how annoying they get on how awesome it is. Just Nanoha give us the back story in narration caps would ne enough and we learning about how is this world and her life will be good. A number 0 doesn’t need to exist, just start the damn manga and stop teasing us like that. Make me care, so far you accomplish nothing but to give us a rather boring and repetitive backstory for this manga that you could do while actually moving the plot. And even there are a lot of holes in the story. So how the Professor create this avatar machines? Did he invent the machine and the cards? Then why is call an investigation? Did he spend all his life making a children’s card game? Even in Yu-Gi-Oh there were some magic and mysticism around the card game, here is just the crazy idea of a nerd that somehow manage to get lay and was allow to raise on his own 6 young girls. This manga sucks… oh that is right, too soon. Forget about that.

Anyway is a very odd, not really well done start. There are too many characters and we almost have no Nanoha. If her name is in the title then have her actually doing something or focus your story, don’t go around like that. I will give the manga a few more time, but better watch out for this. That being said there isn’t really much, just a start that doesn’t make me say anything because is so generic and has little going on.

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First and foremost, please make your sentences shorter. Or rather, stop using run on sentences as they make it hard to read ^^;;

I suppose you raise some valid points but there are also various factual inaccuracies in here as well. Nothing especially major or glaringly wrong but if you're going to complain about something then at least make sure it exists, ya know? (it looks better on your part as well)

For example, it it's weird that Reinforce would call someone in her family "master" then Reinforce should actually be related to Hayate and not just one of her employees.

...But yeah, even if Reinforce is an employee it's still weird to call your boss that. Well, if it comes to that I suppose it's weird to have Hayate employ people when she's 10 or whatever ^^;;

I'd imagine that they wanted to keep character dynamics the same, since if they were changed them to make the setting more realistic then people would bitch about how this isn't even related to it's mother franchise anymore or something ^^;; (Follow up complaint; just make an original series if you're going to do that! Further follow up complaint; why aren't you making more Nanoha stuff?! Damn you and Dog Days! =_=;;)

I suppose that they're (heavily) relying on the fact that this is Nanoha related to their advantage. I wonder what you mean by the fact that you don't get anything out of the characters though? I realise that I have prior knowledge to fill in the blanks but you can easily pick up characteristics about each person just from this alone. Not a lot but still enough to get a (very) rough sense about each character.

For example, Levi appears in about 6 panels but it's pretty easy to pick up that she's somewhat childish and energetic with a youthful glee. (Her grinning ^w^ face is adorable~)

Cardboard boxes are full of love so we're fine with anything and try to enjoy things as best as we can~ I know I fawned over this like the little fangirl that I am but I'm sure the manga will turn out at least moderately well. (Or rather, I'm sure it will turn out at least moderately well for me while everyone else may very well hates it) I'm quite excited about the manga and I'm interested in seeing how the game will turn out myself.

I hope the game makes sense and doesn't use weird tactics like Yu-Gi-Oh's "I attack the floatation ring on your flying castle causing it to crash and kill everyone" nonsense unless the game's rules makes this a reasonable option. I wanna see if I could follow along with the player's logic, you see~ (Related to this, incredibly convenient cards that could only possibly be used in that one circumstance)

...Heh.

Hearing you talk about how everyone is fawning over Brave Duel reminds of of the times when every fanboy fawned over Fable, Skyrim, the Wii, the newest COD/Halo/some of shooter I've completely forgotten the name of etc. I feel like I'd be pretty pumped if I was producing/selling this game. Even though someone's not a big fan of card games the virtual reality element is sure to turn heads~ Not that I can really talk about other people fawning over things though, excuse me while I fawn over Precia some more ^^;;

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And back.

Completely random turn of topic, long post is long. Not that this is bad or anything (I'm sure there are lots of people who go TL;DR though >_>;;) but I'd recommend writing shorter paragraphs so it looks less intimidating and maybe putting the whole thing in spoiler tags.

If you don't mind me asking, why did you even write this? Or rather, you mentioned that you do the same thing for Vivid and Force (and I'm sure everyone knows what your opinion is on that anyway) so I'm wondering if you only talk about things that irk you ^^;;

If you hate it, that's fine. If you want to say you hate it then go ahead. It's just that I get this feeling that you're making it your mission to spread the hate ya know? I'm not saying I don't want to hear your opinion, I just think you're trying too hard to hate it or something. ^^;;

Oh, it's been 5 minutes. Time to fawn over Precia again~

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Actually, the thing with Hayate's family really needs to be explained.

We have Yagami Hayate, who is the owner of the shop (Let's skip the part that she's only 10 years old). Then, we see Reinforce, Signum and Shamal who, despite being employees and calling Hayate 'master', are also Yagamis. But what confuses me the most is Vita. Not only is stated that she is Yagami, but also they tell us that she is the youngest daughter of the family. Okay, so let's say that she is the youngest daughter, where are her parents and siblings? If she is the youngest then someone has to be older than her. And I refuse to believe that Hayate is her mother.

Basically, it's too early to judge this manga as 'good' or 'bad'. The first chapter managed to catch my attention and actually I've just found myself wondering what's going to happen next. I just fear that it's going to suffer 'Vivid' or 'Force syndrome', putting Nanoha somewhere on the third plan and concentrating on characters from games.

And one more thing I noticed, there was no Yuuno and Chrono. Even Amy (or rather, her boobs) got her five minutes xD