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So am I going to guess that not many people were excited for this I mean you think after StrikerS and ViVid the anime would at least know that there was a reason why we love the series instead of let's throw in new characters, replace the old characters, repeat the tropes from the last season, either we get a disappointing battle or I think there was a battle of ViVid correct me if I'm wrong and staring the anime. I just don't know anymore and am thinking about watching the first and second season over again just to remind myself that the series was good and that it did know what it was doing. But if their catering to another new generation then I guess it's for the best. A moment of silence for the characters we come to know and love and the characters who lasted one season only to be reduced as supporting cast members in the next season.

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Maybe Tsuzuki or whoever is behind deciding the direction of Nanoha determined that most of their old fans have moved on from the series or from anime in general, and maybe they're trying to save the series aiming for a new younger market.

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So basically what the Pokemon Anime is doing only instead of having Nanoha (Ash) still be the main character, they decide to take the manga route and switch the main character. Hmm that does make sense though let's just hope that they don't make this into a habit and screw it up because Subaru had her chance and Vivio had her chance and they didn't last very long but if this is successful maybe they'll do some bigger changes for the franchise like maybe give us a male love interest like cough Cardcaptor Sakura cough and I know that one is probably not going to happen but hey we had magical girls grow up which never happened before so a guy can dream.

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I think the problem is we also don't know for how long they will keep making new manga or anime based on the Nanoha series, I wouldn't have been surprised if Vivid was the last we see of Nanoha, I think any new manga is selling in average more than what Vivid volumes should be selling right now, from that point of view it would be smarter to just make something completely new, and maybe Vivid Strike! is an attempt at that while also trying to capitalize on their old fans.

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and maybe Vivid Strike! is an attempt at that while also trying to capitalize on their old fans.

That's called half-assing it, they want to try something new, but are afraid of truly being new, so they stick to an old title name and arbitrary cameos of characters, characters who appear solely so that they can say that Vivio and Einhart showed up.

This kind of crap is just insult to injury to old time fans, Japanese and international, of Nanoha, Fate and Hayate as the main cast.

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Seikou you may have a point. We spent three seasons with our three ladies and all we got at the end of my favorite season was them teaching new recruits with barely any character development(StrikerS) and then in ViVid they are reduced to cameos. Now I am not saying that I know my anime but by trying new things too much, then the series will lose it's identity just like what happened in StrikerS at least in my opinion. Unfortunately, with the little information we have all we can do is wait and see and hope for the best. Though I am saying this: I will not forget about the girl who started the series, her best friend and the cosplay queen for as long as I live but like I said all we can do is wait and pray.

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Well, maybe this is what everything needs to be about:
Moving on.
Sad as it may be.
I've said this before but Vivid set the veering point from my mostly beloved franchise. Over the period of time, Vivid Strike has come to me as something completely unrelated. Our main cast now completely gone without a trace. By no means militaristic justice-seeking magical story. This is just something else entirely within the same world.
Seeing it that way made the PV cool and interesting.
This feels like staying positive after breaking up with my first love. T A T
Anyways, we put aside the bitter fact that the creators have lost interest in the original. Vivid Strike seems to promise me something new. The main character looks like someone to love. I think one reason why Vivid didn't catch my fancy is because of Vivio's lack of depth. Sorry if you're a Vivid Fan, but that one side-story completely lacked what New girl Reventon Fuuka seems to have. Seven Arcs and Masaki Tsuzuki are taking the steer in this once more. So at least, that's something to be hopeful for.
I try not to love it so much. (Since Vivid had broken my heart).

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Well, maybe this is what everything needs to be about:
Moving on.
Sad as it may be.
I've said this before but Vivid set the veering point from my mostly beloved franchise. Over the period of time, Vivid Strike has come to me as something completely unrelated. Our main cast now completely gone without a trace. By no means militaristic justice-seeking magical story. This is just something else entirely within the same world.
Seeing it that way made the PV cool and interesting.
This feels like staying positive after breaking up with my first love. T A T
Anyways, we put aside the bitter fact that the creators have lost interest in the original. Vivid Strike seems to promise me something new. The main character looks like someone to love. I think one reason why Vivid didn't catch my fancy is because of Vivio's lack of depth. Sorry if you're a Vivid Fan, but that one side-story completely lacked what New girl Reventon Fuuka seems to have. Seven Arcs and Masaki Tsuzuki are taking the steer in this once more. So at least, that's something to be hopeful for.
I try not to love it so much. (Since Vivid had broken my heart).

How can one move on and look at Vivid Strike as something standalone when it actively drags characters from previous series into it for that desperate connection to the old fanbase?

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How can one move on and look at Vivid Strike as something standalone when it actively drags characters from previous series into it for that desperate connection to the old fanbase?

I'm trying to say that we move forward from this sort of attached mindset. It does nothing but break our hearts.
I cannot argue about their failure to make use of a completely new set of characters. Neither the bull for luring old fanbase with it. But I am personally not concerned about the appearances of Vvd characters since both anime seems to carry the same theme. It's endurable to have old character appearances this way unlike Vivid's huge leap from StrikerS. It detaches my expectations that would relate to Nanoha-form mahoushoujou (like I had expected of Vivid).
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At least they finally had the guts to scrap the Nanoha name from it, as it really has -nothing- to do with the series we know from TOS/A's and even StrikerS.

It's completely different and unrelated with Nanoha. And if the cast and story I loved back then are never going to be mentioned, then it is somewhat standalone.
Like a side-story of a side-story that looks better than the first (Vivid). I'm going on over and over with this but because Vivid lacked depth and it's characterizations are weak, Strike looks more powerful - one way or the other. I don't mind if this is a do-over or a desperate approach to a Vivid Take 2.
A lot of maybes as to why and how they could assume that fans will appreciate new characters more while they're trying to market these to the original's fans. But looking at Vivid Strike as a Completely Unrelated Nanoha side story we all know it is, then goings-on with this PV alone made me look forward to it.

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I hate to say this, but I would almost prefer more Dog Days to prancing the franchise around in order to gain minor interest for this new spin-off.

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I don't know why the author gave up completely of Nanoha, Hayate and Fate as main characters and whenever they appear it seems that the characters are much more weaker in relation to the rest of the new characters,maybe the author tried something new for some reason and this didn't work and now he or somebody is desperate,I don't know but if the franchise is going bad and this anime is a last attempt then they really should terminate the franchise for some years.

Perhaps a anime/manga or movie ending with Nanoha, Fate and Hayate as main characters but that is just my opinion and the money is that counts in the end of the day, if they have to kill half of the characters for not to leave the franchise finish, they will do this.

I miss so much of the good times of Nanoha and Fate but I still glad that some people can still enjoy the franchise

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The more pessimistic side of me wants to say that it was a decision handed down from above.

Yukarin just doesn't want to play ball with King Records anymore. King Records is who funds the vast, vast majority of Nanoha material. That includes Vivid Strike.

Still doesn't explain Nana, but Nana is getting long-in-the-tooth for King Records. They have new idols, and new pop stars to push. So the train keeps carrying on.

But again, that's the side of me that hates life and can't enjoy anything. So I would like to think that it is wrong.

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The first episode is out, so far it looks like Vivid but with a new story centered around Fuuka, the new main character. Not much to say for now, the premise isn't very interesting for me.

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Sounds like how I felt when I watched the first 23 minutes of vivid with my friend. That is not a good sign.

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So I finally got a chance to watch it
It was okay.

It wasn't classic Nanoha, it wasn't military might vs sheer magic firepower. It wasn't delinquent magical girl fighting armed biker gangs with the power of friendship like the PV suggested.

It was just okay.

It's going to be about Fuuka training hard and getting really good at tournaments so she can win back her friend. That's it. That's all it's going to be.

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Well I watch the first episode and after letting it sink in I will say this… it was ok.

Not great, not good, just alright. I will admit I might be bitter because of ViVid and Force not being up to part with… anything I hope really, but all things consider I must say Vivid Strike looks alright. The first episode does feel a bit rush and some stuff is a bit gratuitous. But I like the scene at the start and the basic idea.

Some of the other elements feel a bit stale like everything revolving around magical martial arts, again, introducing the old cast so soon and so unnecessary but it does seem promising. It is not the first time, however, this franchise has plenty of potential only to crush it and throw it out the window at the nearest chance so I am holding my judgement for later when more of the story is out.

So, as crazy as it sounds, this could be a good place to recover some good graces but, and this is a big stinky “butt”, the next chapters need to focus better around Fuka and her White Hair Princess friend NOT in the ViVid cast. It might sound odd since Vivio is the only connection we have to Nanoha and the rest but this is clearly Fuka’s tale so we will do well in keep it close to home. Now the ball is in ViVid Strike’s side, let’s watch.

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Episode 2 is out. I think the original Vivid was more interesting, Vivid Strike hasn't been very fun for me so far, maybe I'm getting to old for this kind of anime.

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I saw it and it feels like we have been here before. Is a more traditional tournament arc, or at least it feels that way.

ViVid had the problem that we started with Vivio as the main character, then we switch to Einhard as the main character and later we lost track of everyone with a swarm of new faces. So far ViVid Strike has keep the focus on Fuuka and on that note feels like is setting her fight with Silver Hair Princess.

But if you look at it Fuka is in the same place Einhard was and Silver Hair Princess is clearly another Sieg. So is not like we are exploring another theme, we are repeating tropes and changing the faces. Or at least I feel it that way. This episode was bland since it just show us the training Fuka does, everyone’s adult mode and then promises a fight for next week. That’s it, I mean considering how unclear Fuka’s goal is I think we need to get moving.

Also, on the Auld Mode or Power Mode… why? I mean just why? It was silly before and is still an odd concept now. It might be a silly thing to be focusing but to me it just acts as the perfect analogy to ViVid in general: flashy, big and completely pointless.

On that note I did find funny how Fuka is as little inform about Einhard as we are since she only knows her age, that she lives alone and… that’s about it. We never got answers to those questions either so… yeah, I am with Fuka and want to know more.

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I saw it and it feels like we have been here before. Is a more traditional tournament arc, or at least it feels that way.

ViVid had the problem that we started with Vivio as the main character, then we switch to Einhard as the main character and later we lost track of everyone with a swarm of new faces. So far ViVid Strike has keep the focus on Fuuka and on that note feels like is setting her fight with Silver Hair Princess.

But if you look at it Fuka is in the same place Einhard was and Silver Hair Princess is clearly another Sieg. So is not like we are exploring another theme, we are repeating tropes and changing the faces. Or at least I feel it that way. This episode was bland since it just show us the training Fuka does, everyone’s adult mode and then promises a fight for next week. That’s it, I mean considering how unclear Fuka’s goal is I think we need to get moving.

Also, on the Auld Mode or Power Mode… why? I mean just why? It was silly before and is still an odd concept now. It might be a silly thing to be focusing but to me it just acts as the perfect analogy to ViVid in general: flashy, big and completely pointless.

On that note I did find funny how Fuka is as little inform about Einhard as we are since she only knows her age, that she lives alone and… that’s about it. We never got answers to those questions either so… yeah, I am with Fuka and want to know more.

Ahhh, remember the good old days of Nanoha? When a child was a child? You know, when Nanoha was actually 9, and wasn't casting ''adult mode'' spells? And didn't need one to be awesome?

Even back with Vivio in StrikerS it just screamed ''Well, we can't really sexualize a child.. so were going to need an ''adult mode'' so we can sexualize Vivio.''

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Yeah I remember those times they were fun. Now after season 2, let us replace Nanoha with Subaru. Next replace her with Vivio and now Fuka. Tournment arc why well DBZ, Naruto, Yu Yu hakusho did it so why not us? Adult modes.....stop just stop. The series is trying way too hard to cater to everyone and now it is a mess. Also repeating elements from the last season does not work at all.

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Episode 3 is out. I'm not feeling the conflict between Fuuka and Rinne, and I think the conflict between the coaches is kind of forced and unnecessary. Maybe someone just wanted to pair them together and making them start as rivals was easier.

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Wow 3 episodes in and off to a rocky start. ViVid war flashbacks are popping up and not the good way. If you do decide to finish up ViVid Strike (Translation keep making more not Nanoha no we swear this is the series you love) You think you would review it because I would like to hear your overall thoughts of it. Because so far, it seems very and I mean very dicey.

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Wow 3 episodes in and off to a rocky start. ViVid war flashbacks are popping up and not the good way. If you do decide to finish up ViVid Strike (Translation keep making more not Nanoha no we swear this is the series you love) You think you would review it because I would like to hear your overall thoughts of it. Because so far, it seems very and I mean very dicey.

I'm hoping when Reflection comes out, it'll show the big shots in charge how much of a difference there is between a series with Nanoha as lead, and a series without her even present.

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Can't wait for Reflection and see the three characters I like back.

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If you do decide to finish up ViVid Strike (Translation keep making more not Nanoha no we swear this is the series you love) You think you would review it because I would like to hear your overall thoughts of it. Because so far, it seems very and I mean very dicey.

Me? I don't think I would be particularly good writing an objective review of this series, I'm not putting much attention when watching the episodes, I'm honestly not very interested in Vivid Strike!, I'm watching it because it's a spinoff of Nanoha.

I will still finish watching the complete series, and make a post if I have something to comment.

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Oh ok then. But still 3 episodes and nothing interesting? Man StrikerS at least had stuff happening but ViVid and ViVid Strike feel content to be boring with the only difference being that Fuuka is an orphan......so Mika from gundam iron blooded orphans is an orphan and he's really awesome what's this girl's excuse. Good luck with this adventure of yours and while I won't be watching this season because I know better, I will comment on your posts and read your posts.

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Well episode 3 is better than episode 2. I mean stuff happen, silly stuff but it did happen.

Let’s see: first we see Silver Hair Princess in her daily routine, which took us like… 2 minutes instead of half the episode, and her surprisingly nice adopted family. So later we go to the stadium where the fight is going to take place and she invited the fighters of the Nakajima Gym to watch.

I did like the scene between Nove and Silver Hair Princess trainer, like they even regret being call rivals and they want to get along… is like the show knows they could make a conflict to spice things up but instead decides to go the boring route… is so funny... So later we have the fight where the other fighter is finish up by Silver Hair Princess who feels the need to be a dick about it.

She then challengers Einhard because she is the Under 15 Champion (Since when? How? What?) and also Vivio, because she lost against her, and of course Miura because… well they needed the extra spot and she didn’t knew Fuka was around. So Einhard rejects it, Vivio and Miura accept, so Ein agrees and then she introduces Fuka who wants to fight Silver Hair Princess because… anyway, she wants to.

And then they run in to Silver Hair Princess in their way out and wonder why she fights if she doesn’t seem to like it and we learn she was bullied, a lot, in school and her adopted grandfather died so she became stronger to make sure nobody would mess with her and she can be a dick to other people… then she tries to strangle Fuka and they all part ways promising to fight in 3 months for the Winter Cup.

And that was it… I honestly don’t know what to say. I mean is like the show forgot it was about Fuka fighting Silver Hair Princess and had to include Einhard, Vivio and Miura for no reason when just one would have done the trick. Also I just don’t buy Fuka as a character, she doesn’t seem to have anything here to bet or care and yet she is our main character? The focus of this challenge is wrong because Silver Hair Princess already tested defeat at Vivio’s hand, she should not have been bested yet because the whole point will be, I bet, that she loses and her opponent is kind with her and explains that winning doesn’t mean being a dick

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So Fuuka is our main protagonist but in three episodes we have no reason to care.....hmm sounds like how I felt when Vivio was our main protagonist in Vivid. Why do I get the feeling that all of these new seasons are going to be schizophrenic confusing and don't know what they're doing. I think the series need some heavy counseling at this point. Also we're doing the tournament thing again are you sure this isn't a shouen series now? I swear if Fuka goes Super Saiyan gear second full nine tails and probably some other anime power up that I don't know or remember then oh God. I mean stuff happened but I'm still not convinced that Fuuka should be our main character apart from she's an orphan I'm just saying.

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The funny thing is that I half way expected Rinne (yes I did learn her name now) address Fuka personally. You see, after the match that lasted like half a minute, Rinne says there is someone special for her watching the fight and a group of reporters get in to the place where the Nakajima Gym people were watching the fight. So I was expecting Rinne to know Fuka was with them or something like that.

But no, she talks to Einhard, the Under 15 Champion, Vivio and Miura and says she wants to fight them and challenges them. So then, as Einhard starts to say it’s up to Nove as their trainer to decide if they fight or not in the upcoming tournament, I expected Fuka to jump in and talk or challenge Rinne. Like she agrees and then the Nakajima Gym backs her up… but no, is Vivio and Miura who agree to the challenge, then Einhard does a 180° turn and agrees as well (Even Nove comments on how surprising her sudden change is) and then Einhard, for no real reason, grabs Fuka and introduces her to the audience as the newest member of the Nakajima Gym.

And then it hit me… Fuka never said she wanted to fight Rinne. It was Einhard and her idiot friend which name I cannot remember who suggested she wanted to grow stronger to fight her. This “goal” was impose in to our main character and so far she has just being drag by Einhard and the others. They decide she wants to get stronger, they decide she will learn the Kaiser Arts and they just make her introduce herself in front of a stadium full of strangers.

Alright, later they encounter Rinne and they talk and Fuka seems to want to fight her but the thing is that they are back at where they were when they had their first fight: Rinne is an asshole to her opponents and Fuka things she shouldn’t be one. That is what happen when they argue the first time and went their own separate ways 7 or 4 years prior. So this is it… we are back to the same point of the first episode.

This is a perfect example of what they call “Spirograph plot” in the sense that it does a lot of turns but it goes nowhere.

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So you mean to tell me that after every single solitary thing that's happened in actuality nothing happened and not only that but our main character is forced to do stuff in the plot........claps hands really slow Bravo writers Bravo you are clearly the writing masters of the universe....... faceplam just why what are you doing? Now I may be a guy who just wants a good story again but apparently you guys are content at doing this you seriously think people like this you seriously think that repeating plot points is a good thing and you seriously think that forcing your main character to be part of the plot all because of the other characters who should not even be here at all are forcing her to do everything......I just I mean I know them maybe people who like the slice of life stuff and I respect those people but this is just insulting.